[Politics] Would Corbyn have been worse than Johnson ?

[Weststander]

Under the radar, dopey Margaret Beckett caused this mayhem, sliding doors and all that.

At the fateful Labour leadership election, dopey pronounced “I know, let’s have a candidate from the left, Jeremy?”.

Corbyn had never had any interest in the role, he was backbench disrupter, the enemy within to Labour leaders.

We could’ve had Andy Burnham or Yvette Cooper.

The rest is history.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

In 2017 Corbyn increased the Labour share of votes by 10% and won an additional 30 seats overall
Those seats lost iby Labour were mainly in Scotland. The Red Wall held up fine.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40176349

In the lead up to the 2019 elections red wall Labour MPs were begging Corbyn to stick to his commitment to deliver Brexit, but as noted above he was ultimately too weak to hold out against the remain fanatics in his party who believed they could reverse the vote.

Some of the most vocal Remainers are the ones most vocal against Johnson. Now that is ironic.

 

[nicko31]

Hard to say as I don't know enough about Corbyn. But Johnson is by far the worse post war PM, no one comes close

 

[CaptainDaveUK]

What people forget is that Corbyn wanted to Leave the EU, but was leading a party that voted to Remain. What ever you think of Johnson as a person, at least he got Brexit over the line. If you were against Brexit you’ll already have a Corbyn bias, although as I’ve already mentioned Corbyn wanted out too. Johnson tells lots of half truths and intentionally misleads people, Boris also did a bad job at the start of the pandemic but has done better with the vaccine roll out. Corbyn probably had lots of other things up his sleeve that weren’t in his manifesto, but of course we’ll never know. Politically like many people I’m left and right of centre, so for me a Labour Party heavily influenced by Momentum is a non starter, particularly in Liverpool where my MPs (Louise Ellman and Luciana Berger) where hounded out by some quite unpleasant people. For me though, I think the thought of Diane Abbott as Home Secretary is probably the deciding factor. Would Corbyn have been a worse leader? Yes by quite a long way. Is Corbyn a nicer person, yes probably, although do we really know any of these people. UTA.

 

[jakarta]

Under the radar, dopey Margaret Beckett caused this mayhem, sliding doors and all that.

At the fateful Labour leadership election, dopey pronounced “I know, let’s have a candidate from the left, Jeremy?”.

Corbyn had never had any interest in the role, he was backbench disrupter, the enemy within to Labour leaders.

We could’ve had Andy Burnham or Yvette Cooper.

The rest is history.

Burnham would have wiped the floor with Johnson as long as he accepted the Brexit Vote.

Suspect he is playing the long game up in Mancy Land and waiting for Starmer to make a balls of things.

 

[Live by the sea]

What people forget is that Corbyn wanted to Leave the EU, but was leading a party that voted to Remain. What ever you think of Johnson as a person, at least he got Brexit over the line. If you were against Brexit you’ll already have a Corbyn bias, although as I’ve already mentioned Corbyn wanted out too. Johnson tells lots of half truths and intentionally misleads people, Boris also did a bad job at the start of the pandemic but has done better with the vaccine roll out. Corbyn probably had lots of other things up his sleeve that weren’t in his manifesto, but of course we’ll never know. Politically like many people I’m left and right of centre, so for me a Labour Party heavily influenced by Momentum is a non starter, particularly in Liverpool where my MPs (Louise Ellman and Luciana Berger) where hounded out by some quite unpleasant people. For me though, I think the thought of Diane Abbott as Home Secretary is probably the deciding factor. Would Corbyn have been a worse leader? Yes by quite a long way. Is Corbyn a nicer person, yes probably, although do we really know any of these people. UTA.

To be fair Diane Abbott as Home Secretary would have been very funny to the rest of the world too.

 

[albionalex]

Can't believe how many people have been brainwashed into thinking Corbyn would have been a disaster.

 

[CaptainDaveUK]

Can't believe how many people have been brainwashed into thinking Corbyn would have been a disaster.

He was a rebel within his own party for decades. The party he was leading had been taken over by Momentum and that is the only reason he was elected. In my post earlier I said I thought Corbyn was a nicer person, but having thought about it for ten minutes I think I’ll retract that, as I’d forgotten about a few people and causes he has been associated with over the years. Unfortunately they are both quite extreme and unpleasant in their own way, although Corbyn is possibly more principled and less dishonest. Overall I still think Boris is a better leader but is now living on borrowed time.

 

[Weststander]

Can't believe how many people have been brainwashed into thinking Corbyn would have been a disaster.

Flawed, lying Johnson doesn’t make Corbyn, Burgon & Abbott less hopeless.

Looking back, the 2019 GE will go down as the weakest field.

Corbyn: Anti semitism not dealt with, obstructed, proven by the EHRC. A manifesto budget that was not credible (per the IFS), with vast spending pledges which were purportedly to be paid for by the top 5% - the sums didn’t add up.

To cap it all, on the EU they pretended to be both Remainers in SE England and Brexiteers in Wales, the midlands and north.

If you dare, watch this shadow cabinet ‘expert’ on the EU.

 

[usernamed]

As it turns out, it’s my belief that Corbyn would have done considerably better than Johnson in the scenario we’ve found ourselves in over the past couple of years.

The Conservatives have been hamstrung by their ERG/hardline members who have fought against even the most sensible restrictions back before we had vaccines or a clear picture of the risk of Coronavirus. As a result, England’s early response was far too late and too limited, and the one-off possibility of eradicating the disease was lost. It was never likely to be otherwise, as eradication of the virus would have required seamless global coordination, which was never likely. Corbyn would have found it easier to make the tougher decisions however, because less of his party would fight him on the issue.

However, if Johnson had a chance to implement his original agenda vs. Corbyn’s original agenda, I think it would be a much closer run thing.

Johnson is the first Conservative Prime Minister in a long while who perhaps doesn’t’ see the world purely from a global economic perspective, which is why half of his own party is fighting rabidly to get rid of him. Most of the new breed of Conservatives fall firmly in the camp of “knowing the price of everything and the value of nothing”.

Strangely, I saw little in Corbyn’s manifesto that was ruinous, but I wouldn’t trust Whitehall to deliver his policies efficiently. There’s still a culture in the Civil Service that feedback from the ground never reaches the ears of those designing the policies. The Civil Service is still a very clunky machine.


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[Neville's Breakfast]

Can't believe how many people have been brainwashed into thinking Corbyn would have been a disaster.

Or they haven’t been brainwashed and just disagree with you ? It is allowed.

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Flawed, lying Johnson doesn’t make Corbyn, Burgon & Abbott less than hopeless.

Looking back, the 2019 GE will go down as the weakest field.

Corbyn: Anti semitism not dealt with, obstructed, proven by the EHRC. A manifesto budget that was not credible (per the IFS), with vast spending pledges which were purportedly to be paid for by the top 5% - the sums didn’t add up.

To cap it all, on the EU they pretended to be both Remainers in SE England and Brexiteers in Wales, the midlands and north.

If you dare, watch this shadow cabinet ‘expert’ on the EU.

Very very funny

 

[aolstudios]

I'm a pretty much lifelong Labour voter, on the left of the party but I voted LibDeb in 2019,as the least racist option.
Johnson is disgusting but shamefully yes, I believe the racist Chauncey Gardner would've been worse

 

[Super Steve Earle]

Corbyn couldn't even win a General Election, let alone a Brexit deal or a fight against a pandemic.

 

[Weststander]

I'm a pretty much lifelong Labour voter, on the left of the party but I voted LibDeb in 2019,as the least racist option.
Johnson is disgusting but shamefully yes, I believe the racist Chauncey Gardner would've been worse

Although not aligned with you politically on some issues, respect to you in recognising the endemic racism in both major parties at 2019. Some people are so entrenched, they wouldn’t admit it.

 

[borat]

Funny negative phrasing of the questionnaire. "He couldn't be as bad as Corbyn".

And anyone with at least a moderate IQ and above and has paid the slightest attention to what's going on would realise that Corbyn would be far better.
.

 

[Is it PotG?]

Funny negative phrasing of the questionnaire. "He couldn't be as bad as Corbyn".

And anyone with at least a moderate IQ and above and has paid the slightest attention to what's going on would realise that Corbyn would be far better.
.

Whoa Jeremy Corbyn, whoa Jeremy Corbyn (repeat ad
nauseum).

 

[Randy McNob]

To accept the status quo and be so certain an alternative party or leader would do worse is a nonsensical proposition

to use a football analogy, if your team were in the relegation zone and the manager was a dud, you wouldn't just accept it and thank your lucky stars that it somehow would be worse if the club hired a different manager

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Whoa Jeremy Corbyn, whoa Jeremy Corbyn (repeat ad
nauseum).

https://youtu.be/4lUq0H_cclU


How did it all go wrong

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DF