[Football] How few points to stay up

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Simster

"the man's an arse"
Jul 7, 2003
54,308
Surrey
Dyche is a dinosaur of a manager. He has done well to keep them up on his small budget, but at some point, the lack of investment and his lack of skills to adapt the way they play will be found out.

Looks like this season is it.
I'm not convinced Dyche is a dinosaur. I reckon he's just pragmatic - guilty of nothing more than working with the tools at his disposal.
 


The Fits

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Jun 29, 2020
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Cornet should be our number 1 summer target


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We were interested weren’t we? If they go down he’d be the perfect signing. Can play at top, scores goals, can play anywhere on the left. Would pretty much be like signing three players. Five year contract mind so might be pricey.
 


Swansman

Pro-peace
May 13, 2019
22,320
Sweden
We were interested weren’t we? If they go down he’d be the perfect signing. Can play at top, scores goals, can play anywhere on the left. Would pretty much be like signing three players. Five year contract mind so might be pricey.

Think he is on the verge of earning himself a bigger move than to Brighton tbh.
 






Motogull

Todd Warrior
Sep 16, 2005
9,959
Whatever points the wankpuffins have +1 because they have the gypsy blessing to never get relegated.
 


Bold Seagull

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Mar 18, 2010
29,873
Hove
I'm not convinced Dyche is a dinosaur. I reckon he's just pragmatic - guilty of nothing more than working with the tools at his disposal.

I think he's fallen into a trap of the same recipe will turn out the same great meal every time. Perhaps his tools are a little bit better than he's had them set up. To me, most of them have been together a fair while, and they have a slight look of a team that is sort of saying 'can we at least trying something a bit different?'. Perhaps they were in trying to play a bit more out of the back, although to be fair, Shearer's analytical look at them the other night just beggared belief in how poor and basic it was - either he thinks we're all completely stupid, or he is, it's one or the other. Contrasted with Jenas's bright look at our play, Alan is looking every bit prehistoric.

Burnley have got a tough run coming up:
H Leicester
A Arsenal
H ManUtd
H Liverpool
A Brighton

They'll be on 21 games played by the time they visit the Amex. I'm sure we'll kindly let them park the bus, we'll miss 25 chances and they'll go away with 3 points from a deflected cross. :lolol::rolleyes::p
 


Tim Over Whelmed

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I'm not convinced Dyche is a dinosaur. I reckon he's just pragmatic - guilty of nothing more than working with the tools at his disposal.

I'm halfway between these views. He's no mug, but I think you are being overly generous - he does, after all, choose which 'tools' he gets to recruit.
 


Machiavelli

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Oct 11, 2013
16,781
Fiveways
I think he's fallen into a trap of the same recipe will turn out the same great meal every time. Perhaps his tools are a little bit better than he's had them set up. To me, most of them have been together a fair while, and they have a slight look of a team that is sort of saying 'can we at least trying something a bit different?'. Perhaps they were in trying to play a bit more out of the back, although to be fair, Shearer's analytical look at them the other night just beggared belief in how poor and basic it was - either he thinks we're all completely stupid, or he is, it's one or the other. Contrasted with Jenas's bright look at our play, Alan is looking every bit prehistoric.

Burnley have got a tough run coming up:
H Leicester
A Arsenal
H ManUtd
H Liverpool
A Brighton

They'll be on 21 games played by the time they visit the Amex. I'm sure we'll kindly let them park the bus, we'll miss 25 chances and they'll go away with 3 points from a deflected cross. :lolol::rolleyes::p

Shearer has been stealing a living ever since he gave up playing. His stock phrase is "unger, passion, desire", and he goes downhill whenever he veers from that. He has a certain value in stating the bleeding obvious I suppose, but 'analytical' and 'Alan' is not a combination you normally see together.
 


Guinness Boy

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Jul 23, 2003
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I'm halfway between these views. He's no mug, but I think you are being overly generous - he does, after all, choose which 'tools' he gets to recruit.

To within a budget though.

Cornet is a superb player - far too good for them. Did getting him in mean they couldn't strengthen in other areas? (I have no idea but I don't think it'll be too long before Cornet moves on to a "top, top" club).
 




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To within a budget though.

Cornet is a superb player - far too good for them. Did getting him in mean they couldn't strengthen in other areas? (I have no idea but I don't think it'll be too long before Cornet moves on to a "top, top" club).

He does look great. Hopefully he stays at Burnley for a while. A new generation of young Burnley fans growing up with Max Cornet as their favourite player, can only be a positive thing.
 




Nobby Cybergoat

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Jul 19, 2021
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I'm halfway between these views. He's no mug, but I think you are being overly generous - he does, after all, choose which 'tools' he gets to recruit.

Hmm not really. Persuading players to choose Burnley over other PL clubs is a tough sell. Surely one of the smallest wage payers. Dyche isn't like an Allardyce or Pulis, who's consistently given millions to waste on flash, but useless journeymen.

If he does take them down and leaves, I bet he would get a lower - mid level PL job. And he'd deserve a crack at it
 




Tom Bombadil

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Jul 14, 2003
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Hmm not really. Persuading players to choose Burnley over other PL clubs is a tough sell. Surely one of the smallest wage payers. Dyche isn't like an Allardyce or Pulis, who's consistently given millions to waste on flash, but useless journeymen.

If he does take them down and leaves, I bet he would get a lower - mid level PL job. And he'd deserve a crack at it

I think his problem might be that he's been assigned that Allardyce/pulis label and breaking those expections is going to be tough.
 




Simster

"the man's an arse"
Jul 7, 2003
54,308
Surrey
I'm halfway between these views. He's no mug, but I think you are being overly generous - he does, after all, choose which 'tools' he gets to recruit.
No more or less than any other manager surely?

Cornet is their second biggest signing at around £13m and he is class. I don't think Dyche has had the choice others have had - we must have spent more than that about 10 times and have yet to match Burnley's best placing under Dyche a few years ago. I think saying "he's no mug" does his 6 straight Premier league seasons including a seventh placed finish a massive disservice.
 






Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo

Waxing chumps like candles since ‘75
Oct 4, 2003
11,239
we need 36 points

None of Watford, Burnley or Norwich are going to be getting near 36 points. They'll be lucky to get to 30, to get to 36+ is going to need them going from relegation form to similar form we've shown in the first half of the season.
 


Greg Bobkin

Silver Seagull
May 22, 2012
15,038
3 more wins to stay up. 19 games to play.

And to think some absolute divs STILL want Potter sacked. And all because they don’t understand modern football, and how the game has moved on. Thank Christ we aren’t owned by some of the owners in the league who have no long term plan and would have panicked and pulled the trigger.

Looking forward to the next Potter Out thread when we dare to lose a couple of games on the trot again, in the most competitive league on the planet (in which we are two places outside the top 6).

Top use of the word 'divs' :lolol:

Some Chelsea fella was on Twitter the other day about how teams between eighth and fourteenth (i.e. Brighton) in the league are 'mediocre'. Gotta be honest, I'd take 'mediocre' if it means that Brighton and Hove Albion are competing against and – in some cases – outplaying the best teams in the country and are deemed the ninth best team in the league.

Without fully getting on the 'Remember where we were 25 years ago' bandwagon, the transformation – even from a few years ago – is massive. And yes, a lot of money has been spent by the Albion, but then it's also been spent by everyone else. By clubs that are currently below us in the table.

I honestly wonder what some people want and/or expect sometimes...
 


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