[Politics] Worst PM since Thatcher

[zefarelly]

I've never understood this point of view, so maybe you can help me out, H. Cameron was effectively on the losing team and the referendum was effectively the dreaded 'vote of confidence' in him and his leadership. In my opinion, he couldn't have carried on because he would be trying to implement something that he (apparently) didn't believe was the right thing to do for the future of the country. And yes, he called the election, but the people voted for it. If they REALLY didn't want it, the result would be a bit different to 52:48.

I get that it looks like he walked away – "to Nice, wiv 'is trotters up. (TWAT!)" – but can you imagine the pro-Brexit lot being happy about him leading us out of Europe when he wanted to keep us in? He was on borrowed time and if he hadn't have jumped, he would've been pushed. The following years have shown there's no shortage of fellow MPs who are willing to fack over members of their own party.

BTW: Please don't take any of that as a defence of the guy. I generally can't really contain my indifference about politics, but I just think, objectively, it's not as clear cut as being solely down to him.

I didin't think DC was stupid enough to use a potentially ( now proven to be) catastrophically destructive and divisive 'referendum' as a personal vote of confidence.

THinking about it, he's done as much damage to the country as Hitler. . . . So walking away and the mere whiff of a challenge confirms his total flaky c@ntwangle credentials. His legacy make Boris look like a mere clown . . .oh.

 

[kojak]

George W Bush (Sir Anthony Charles Lynton Blair KG)

 

[Wallace]

Cameroon for the pointless Brexit referendum that he cocked up by not setting a 60:40 margin for change. And campaigning properly. Like when we had the vote to join.

And for then f***ing off, leaving the absolute chaos that followed. Years of pissing about culminating in the great Johnson debacle. Truss was just a pimple on the arse of it all. Sunk is just scorched earth.

Cameron triggered all that for no reason than a vain and needless hope of quelling the nutters in his party. He failed.

Oh dear, you're still a bit upset aren't you.
Why exactly should it have been 60:40, is that normally how referendums in the UK work? Cameron had his faults but tbf he said he would offer the country an in-out referendum on membership of the EU in his manifesto and that's what he did. Ed Miliband carved his manifesto on a giant block of stone, didn't do him any good did it?

 

[BN41Albion]

Oh dear, you're still a bit upset aren't you.
Why exactly should it have been 60:40, is that normally how referendums in the UK work? Cameron had his faults but tbf he said he would offer the country an in-out referendum on membership of the EU in his manifesto and that's what he did. Ed Miliband carved his manifesto on a giant block of stone, didn't do him any good did it?

It absolutely amazes me that there are STILL people out there pleased/smug about the fact that we've left the EU, despite the absolute shit show we all knew (or those of us with half a brain cell) would ensue

 

[Eeyore]

Oh dear, you're still a bit upset aren't you.
Why exactly should it have been 60:40, is that normally how referendums in the UK work? Cameron had his faults but tbf he said he would offer the country an in-out referendum on membership of the EU in his manifesto and that's what he did. Ed Miliband carved his manifesto on a giant block of stone, didn't do him any good did it?

Should be 60-40 for a binding referendum. Opinions change with the wind and for such a huge constitutional change it has to be a set opinion and a clear majority+ for change. You only have to look at the fluctuations for Scottish Independence to see that a result could change from one month to the next. BREXIT caused huge ramifications and not a month later new polls suggested the vote would have gone slightly the other way.

The sensible thing is to ensure there is a clear consensus not a marginal one. 52-48 suggests that folk aren't that bothered overall. 60-40 is a clear instruction.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Oh dear, you're still a bit upset aren't you.
Why exactly should it have been 60:40, is that normally how referendums in the UK work? Cameron had his faults but tbf he said he would offer the country an in-out referendum on membership of the EU in his manifesto and that's what he did. Ed Miliband carved his manifesto on a giant block of stone, didn't do him any good did it?

Yes.

Upset? Not for myself. I'm well off. Minted. You?

 

[Wallace]

Yes.

Upset? Not for myself. I'm well off. Minted. You?

Champagne Socialism, alive and well

 

[A1X]

Champagne Socialism, alive and well

“Champagne socialism” just shows you can be comparatively well off while also not being a prick. Indeed it should be seen as aspirational rather than perjorative.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Champagne Socialism, alive and well

Is this a 5 minute argument of the full half hour?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

“Champagne socialism” just shows you can be comparatively well off while also not being a prick. Indeed it should be seen as aspirational rather than perjorative.

Indeed. And having dragged myself out of the gutter through hard work and talent, I have eschewed treading on the faces of those on the ladder below me. The helping hand not the iron fist, to quote another working class boy made good, Billy Bragg.

And anyway. Champagne is too gassy and cold*. I prefer red, red wine.

*A bit like wally @Wallace perhaps