[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[knocky1]

Raises an interesting point. Clearly the old Tory toffs in the shires can't be trusted to elect a leader - and PM - who is competent and, well, sane. Are we really going to allow the same bunch of senile old duffers to elect our next PM? This madness has to stop.

Elect a new Tory leader by all means but that MUST be followed by an immediate GE.

Not disagreeing. I see the membership voters consisting of many; Mile Oakers, Hangletonians, Essex Boys and Girls, and many other Brexiteer types. UK
The Hove Deep Sea Angler's type.

 

[Westdene Seagull]

No, disagree - this leaves us with yet more months without effective leadership. If they decide they need a new leader, the election should happen immediately.

Please could you point me towards the current 'effective leadership' ?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Surely it would be a new one instead?

Boris Johnson was the best politician in the Tory party, or they wouldn't have picked him right? But he made an oopsie so they had to go with the second best, this Truss alien. Who is the third best? Would be interesting to see the politicial decisions of someone who is considered just not quite as competent as Boris and Liz.

It didn't work like this at all. Boris may well have been the best politician (if by that you mean the most popular with the tory party membership - best=popular), but the MPs finally realized that he was a terrible politician (in terms of his ability to make appropriate decisions and, indeed, tell the truth, act like he gave a shit, etc.). The MPs booted out Johnson, not the party members.

The majority of tory MPs wanted Sunak as leader, but unfortunately for them the final vote on the last 2 candidates is made by the party membership, blue rinse grannies and red faced grand dads. The membership selected Lizzie because she reminds them of Thatcher, and because Sunak is a bit foreign.

So we are already well below third best. If the membership had a free vote, now, they would overwhelmingly resurrect Johnson. They love him like lots of Russians still love Putin.

That's not a bad analogy in fact; a majority of rank and file tory members appear to be similar in instinct and constancy to rank and file, ordinary Joe, Russians; dazzled by charisma (with a deal of nostalgia and wishful thinking to paper over any devotional cracks).

 

[beorhthelm]

Simple question from a slightly cynical 50 something, whose voted for every major party BTW, is the situation being made far worse by the hourly updated shit storm in the media?


I saw Russell Brand on YouTube the other day questioning if we were actually taking ourselves into recession?

i like to put the boot into media, in this situation no. we're already heading for recession anyway, while facing double digit inflation, largely out of our politicans control due to global economics. into this maelstrom Kwarteng has tossed in bunch of unfunded tax cuts. after Conservatives claimed Labour would load up unfunded spending the past 3 elections.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Please could you point me towards the current 'effective leadership' ?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Raises an interesting point. Clearly the old Tory toffs in the shires can't be trusted to elect a leader - and PM - who is competent and, well, sane. Are we really going to allow the same bunch of senile old duffers to elect our next PM? This madness has to stop.

Elect a new Tory leader by all means but that MUST be followed by an immediate GE.

Unfortunately, although I share your disgust, it is perfectly acceptable in our constitution for the party of government to change its leader (and hence the PM) without going to the country. Both parties get on their high horse when the other does it, albeit the tories were the last to say it is 'wrong' for labour to give us a PM who was not 'elected' (Brown); on this and the previous occasion labour have simply demand that we have a GE because the tories are shit.

That said, if Thick Lizzy is ousted it would be unprecedented - no party of government has booted out two of its own leaders in one term of office before.

(My preference would be for the dissolution of parliament and a general election within 3 weeks. Unfortunately this won't happen).

 

[WATFORD zero]

It seems to me that Conservative party members are doing a lot of the heavy lifting for this complete economic clusterf***

I am not defending them, but I don't think we would be anywhere a situation like this without the quite significant support of the electorate on both the Brexit referendum and then following it up with an 80 seat Johnson majority. But maybe a bit too close to home, so it's definitely their fault

 

[Swansman]

Unfortunately, although I share your disgust, it is perfectly acceptable in our constitution for the party of government to change its leader (and hence the PM) without going to the country. Both parties get on their high horse when the other does it, albeit the tories were the last to say it is 'wrong' for labour to give us a PM who was not 'elected' (Brown); on this and the previous occasion labour have simply demand that we have a GE because the tories are shit.

That said, if Thick Lizzy is ousted it would be unprecedented - no party of government has booted out two of its own leaders in one term of office before.

(My preference would be for the dissolution of parliament and a general election within 3 weeks. Unfortunately this won't happen).

A couple of years ago we didn't have a government in Sweden for about five or six months. I swear that the air was fresher, the birds were louder and the weather better during those months.

Just dissolve the parliament. No need for new election.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

A couple of years ago we didn't have a government in Sweden for about five or six months. I swear that the air was fresher, the birds were louder and the weather better during those months.

Was it summer?

 

[Swansman]

Was it summer?

It was from September-January (or February, don't remember). But it sure looked and felt like summer.

No petty disputes, no dumb decisions, just very quiet and peaceful.

Made me even more convinced that no governments and no parliaments is the way to go.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

A couple of years ago we didn't have a government in Sweden for about five or six months. I swear that the air was fresher, the birds were louder and the weather better during those months.

Just dissolve the parliament. No need for new election.

You may well be right.

We could ask Andrew Crofts to act as caretaker. What could possibly go wrong?

 

[WATFORD zero]

You may well be right.

We could ask Andrew Crofts to act as caretaker. What could possibly go wrong?

Well I can guarantee that Andrew Crofts has a better understanding of Macro economics than Kwasi

 

[raymondo]

Not disagreeing. I see the membership voters consisting of many; Mile Oakers, Hangletonians, Essex Boys and Girls, and many other Brexiteer types. UK
The Hove Deep Sea Angler's type.

Plus a number of people that live abroad...

 

[Machiavelli]

It was from September-January (or February, don't remember). But it sure looked and felt like summer.

No petty disputes, no dumb decisions, just very quiet and peaceful.

Made me even more convinced that no governments and no parliaments is the way to go.

Ah. I get it. You're not, in fact, a paleo-anarchist; you're a technocrat, perfectly happy for civil servants to run the show behind the scenes.

 

[Machiavelli]

Worth adding that KamiKwasi's latest manoeuvre to calm the markets down is to insist that all government departments have to make efficiency savings. He really is a bright spark.

 

[A1X]

Simple question from a slightly cynical 50 something, whose voted for every major party BTW, is the situation being made far worse by the hourly updated shit storm in the media?


I saw Russell Brand on YouTube the other day questioning if we were actually taking ourselves into recession?

I would say no as those at the sharp end do not hear the news from the news but from the data and information in front of their faces.

 

[raymondo]

A ploy to get De Pfeffel back in charge?
No thanks.

So long as it's not Mogg... I'm not sure I could withstand that ...

 

[sparkie]

It was from September-January (or February, don't remember). But it sure looked and felt like summer.

No petty disputes, no dumb decisions, just very quiet and peaceful.

Made me even more convinced that no governments and no parliaments is the way to go.

It was the same here between the Queen dying and her funeral.

No political arguing. At all. No poor decision making. No squabbles.

It was bliss.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Worth adding that KamiKwasi's latest manoeuvre to calm the markets down is to insist that all government departments have to make efficiency savings. He really is a bright spark.

A little over 3 years ago, someone seemed to have an insight into what was coming

Letting Kwasi read prepared statements as a junior Brexit minister was always a big risk.

It just shows how low the 'Leaver' barrel has been scraped to now have him in Cabinet meetings and Interviews

(The clue was there when he let his phone run out of battery on the day the cabinet was announced and they had to announce him separately the day after, when they eventually got hold of him )

Anyway, enough of all this, the biggest game of the weekend is approaching

We lost 3-1 away to United. Shows how many years ago it was when United used to beat us

 

[TomandJerry]

Worth adding that KamiKwasi's latest manoeuvre to calm the markets down is to insist that all government departments have to make efficiency savings. He really is a bright spark.

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