[Football] The “No Relegation” debate

[BluesRockDJ]

Being Devil's Advocate, IF games MUST be played, what is wrong with them being played home and away ? The policing should take care of itself, each club has a designated liason officer who SHOULD know the layout of his/her statium and be able to prevent 'miscreants' finding a way in or near ?

 

[father_and_son]

Surely same for everyone makes it fair ?

If we all played the other 19 teams, twice, at neutral venues, then yes.

But we aren't doing that (in this proposed scenario). Play a team close to you in the table, away in the first half of the season, so they got the home advantage. Play them again now and you haven't got the equivalent home advantage and so they get the edge when considering the combined games. This isn't fair in the slightest.

 

[jessiejames]

Apart from some journo who has suggested this

Who has actually discussed there even being a ‘play on and no relegation’ option.

Exactly this. Some no mark journalists brings it up, and says that's what the teams at the bottom want, even that ginger tosser on talk shit trying to stir things up. Barber said on radio 5 live on Monday that no relegation was not mentioned.

 

[Barham's tash]

Once again, though, why do some feel the need to demonise football for exploring the ways in which its "business" can proceed?

Almost every business in the country will be planning for different scenarios that enables them to resume their business as soon as is safely practicable, and in most cases it's not for charity, it's for cold, hard cash.

In short, I'm really fed up with all the "it's all about the money" bollocks that a lot of people are spouting, as if football is the only business that has any interest at all in money.

I guess it’s unpalatable because well before any other business publicly declared a return strategy outside the government policy the Premier League was talking as if said lockdown policy didn’t apply to them. Therefore despite it obviously being all about the money the manner in which it was done was absolutely disgusting IMO.

They brazenly talked about a return in early May irrespective of what stance the gov was taking with lockdown. They discussed seconding entire testing centres for their own ends. They didn’t even it would appear take the temperature of the players via the PFA to understand whether or not they would even want to come back and play until the picture was clearer for any health implications for them or their families who may contain multiple vulnerable people.

So yes whilst it’s always been about the money the awful manner in which they’ve conducted themselves publicly is the reason why I’m so whazzed off with it all.

The same can be said for airlines in the sense of them demanding financial aid as if governments across the world owed them something for the situation we find ourselves in.

The public will remember the good and the bad when this is all a distant memory so public image has never been more important.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Exactly this. Some no mark journalists brings it up, and says that's what the teams at the bottom want, even that ginger tosser on talk shit trying to stir things up. Barber said on radio 5 live on Monday that no relegation was not mentioned.

But clearly 'no relegation' has to be on the table, otherwise Villa and Bournemouth would not be rejecting proposals to play the games. They have to see an end game where the season is declared null and void.

For us, it is a hypothetical risk. Null and void confirms our staying up, but if no promotion or relegation then next year gets a lot tougher. Its always nice having 1 or 2 promoted teams to fill some of the relegation spots, makes the odds better for us.

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

But clearly 'no relegation' has to be on the table, otherwise Villa and Bournemouth would not be rejecting proposals to play the games. They have to see an end game where the season is declared null and void.

For us, it is a hypothetical risk. Null and void confirms our staying up, but if no promotion or relegation then next year gets a lot tougher. Its always nice having 1 or 2 promoted teams to fill some of the relegation spots, makes the odds better for us.

Your comment is certainly unfair on villa. I don't know about Bournemouth, but villa have more cause for grievance at the neutral ground suggestion than us considering they have 6 home matches from 10.

 

[Weststander]

But clearly 'no relegation' has to be on the table, otherwise Villa and Bournemouth would not be rejecting proposals to play the games. They have to see an end game where the season is declared null and void.

For us, it is a hypothetical risk. Null and void confirms our staying up, but if no promotion or relegation then next year gets a lot tougher. Its always nice having 1 or 2 promoted teams to fill some of the relegation spots, makes the odds better for us.

No relegation, or null and void leave the clubs in debt to broadcasters by £0.75b, with several £100m of other unplanned for losses in the PL. That’s established now, Barber and Parish have made the business case, with clubs futures on the line, pretty clear.

 

[nwgull]

I reckon there's going to be some interesting results. I can see the safe teams with no chance of top 4 having very little motivation to play in front of empty stadia having had a 12 week break and very little 'pre-season' to get match fit again.

 

[Hugo Rune]

End the football season now. No Relegations, but Promote the top two from each division (three from League Two to make up for Bury, and top three invited from National League and let them restructure how they see fit below this).

Parachute payments given the the EFL to pass onto clubs in genuine financial trouble caused by lack of match day income due to CV19.

Following season (if safe to play) - Four down and two up to even things out again.

This is the only logical and fairest way to sort things out.

I like your idea but I’d have a different outcome for season 21/22. In essence, an overriding objective would be to achieve divisions with 20 teams ending all those meaningless fixtures at the end of 24 team seasons and meaning a new EFL League 3 would be created. There would be mass relegation across the leagues next year to get to this position which would be very exciting, every club would know what they are facing prior to 21/22 beginning so you’d hope they’d be no complaints.

In essence the number of teams would change as follows:

20/21

EPL - 22
Championship - 24
EFL 1 - 24
EFL 2 - 24
National League - 24
National League North - 22
National League South - 22

21/22

EPL - 20 (5 Relegated)
Championship - 20 (3 promoted, 9 relegated)
EFL 1 - 20 (3 promoted, 13 relegated)
EFL 2 - 20 (3 promoted, 14 relegated)
EFL 3 - 20 (no promotion, no relegation)
National League - 20 (6 promoted)
National League South - 20 (1 promoted, 1 relegated)
National League North - 20 (1 promoted, 1 relegated)

Don’t mention Bury.

 

[Kalimantan Gull]

Your comment is certainly unfair on villa. I don't know about Bournemouth, but villa have more cause for grievance at the neutral ground suggestion than us considering they have 6 home matches from 10.

Absolutely they would have cause for grievance, but if the option is play no games and get relegated, or play at neutral grounds, they would only have one choice.

So clearly they still see null and void as on the table.