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Diane Abbott in fine form this morning...



mikeyjh

mikeyjh

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Llanymawddwy
Lower West Stander said:
Its just too easy to blame the media in my opinion.

You only have to look at the original basis of this thread. All NIck Ferrari did was ask basic questions......
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And Abbott messed up, okay. But if one mistake makes a leader unelectable, how is May even under consideration to run?

Also, and I don't mean to labour the point but if it's too easy to blame the media, what is about Corbyn that creates the animosity?
 




LamieRobertson

LamieRobertson

Not awoke
Feb 3, 2008
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pastafarian said:
Holy Virtue Signal Batman.
So frigging what.....its irrelevant to everything? Judge Diane Abbot MP on Diane Abbot MP being Diane Abbot MP....dont play some pathetic immigrant NHS card.



You are approaching angles from all the wrong perspectives.
Are you Tory Lite Lib Dem?

Britain does NOT need saving.
We are already a Great Country.(.it says it on the tin) which now has the option of Liberty to be free and independent of The EU.

We are entering a fragile window in the history of our Nation where we are leaving The EU. Most voters accept the reality that we voted to leave and that we are leaving. Only fools dispute this outcome

We need during this period strong and stable leadership, there are 3 options provided to see us through this transition. Tories, Labour and the farron mob.

Hardly anyone trusts weasel farron, and honestly if you think the Corbyn gang are the right people to see this through with sensible international politics….. you need a head reading.
We need leaders right now, not daft old Labour activists who never grew up and who never managed to remove the chips from their shoulders.
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I hesitate to join in one of these political threads..but hey ho...what makes you think you can trust Teresa?
 




Moshe Gariani

Moshe Gariani

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mikeyjh said:
I think Corbyn is a principled man, certainly different from the norm with a long long list of left of centre policies that I wholeheartedly agree with him. Indeed he has a lot of policies that a lot of people agree with. He seems to be more than capable of taking on May each week so I so no reason why he could represent the country on the international scene.

That to one side, what is that makes Corbyn non viable? Outside of the shameful media representation of Corbyn as a loon an 'unelectable', what is that people have figured out for themselves?

For what it's worth, it's like a self fulfilling prophecy, the media's damning of Corbyn as 'unelectable' will probably result in him being so.
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This is precisely my view. Jeremy Corbyn would absolutely destroy Theresa May in a free debate about their political values and policies - which is why she is so scared of going up against him.

Jeremy Corbyn is capable of consistently articulate and persuasive argument while Theresa May pathetically fails to hide her lack of intellect by spouting stupidly repetitive soundbites. One of these two individuals is apparently "unelectable".
 


beorhthelm

beorhthelm

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Jul 21, 2003
35,312
Machiavelli said:
That's a good question. All populist phenomena have to start from somewhere, so in most cases (although less so when there is a tradition of populism -- i.e. north and south Americas), they will start off from a smaller base.
The strategy of populism is to take a section of the population and present it as the entire people -- populism, in short, is constructing the people -- and there's always a tension between these two.
The problem for Corbynism (the movement) is that despite making great initial strides, they haven't managed to sustain that 'momentum', and that is in part because of Corbyn himself, but also the PLP, which points to issues between the three core elements of populism: the leader, the party, and the movement.
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let stop dressing up Corbynism as some sort of new "popularist" movement, he's an old school hard left Socialist who is very popular with a very small proportion of the population.

mikeyjh said:
That to one side, what is that makes Corbyn non viable? Outside of the shameful media representation of Corbyn as a loon an 'unelectable', what is that people have figured out for themselves?
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all the blame placed on the media ignores that most of his own MPs oppose him. that's not down to media but their knowing that he cant offer sensible, workable policies, while the party is taken over by the socialist wing that they fought to subdue for 30 years.
 




mikeyjh

mikeyjh

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beorhthelm said:
let stop dressing up Corbynism as some sort of new "popularist" movement, he's an old school hard left Socialist who is very popular with a very small proportion of the population.



all the blame placed on the media ignores that most of his own MPs oppose him. that's not down to media but their knowing that he cant offer sensible, workable policies, while the party is taken over by the socialist wing that they fought to subdue for 30 years.
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The media campaign predates the MPs opposition, the 2 and not disconnected.
 








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Don Quixote

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Nov 4, 2008
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Abbot is woeful, but what other choice does Corbyn have? At least after the election she will be cast back to the back benches.


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S

Spicy

We're going up.
Dec 18, 2003
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London
So pleased Diane Abbott has messed up. She always looks as if she has something nasty under her nose - maybe it's Jeremy Corbyn.
 


beorhthelm

beorhthelm

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Jul 21, 2003
35,312
mikeyjh said:
The media campaign predates the MPs opposition, the 2 and not disconnected.
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he had the bearest minimum of nominations, many of whom stated it was only to "maintain a debate" and expressed regret for doing so.
 


Iggle Piggle

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mikeyjh said:
what is about Corbyn that creates the animosity?
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Off the top of my head why I will never vote for Labour whilst Corbyn is in charge (and I've only ever voted labour previously, not that it matters where I live)

Having a policy to build Nuclear subs without nuclear missiles (2 of our mutual friends thought I was making this up when I told them. I had to google it to prove it)
Having Diane Abbott anywhere near a position of responsibility. She is incompetent and I thought that long before yesterday (and has nasty racist undertones as well as double standards) . The joke of the shadow cabinet in general.
Being paid to go on the Iranian TV channel (the propaganda one which wants to execute gays)
The inability to be pro or anti brexit.
Alienating the labour MP'S to the extent that he has about as many supporters from within as Derby County got points in 2008
The tacit support of the IRA (I think there was a radio interview doing the rounds a couple of years back where he refused to denounce the violence) as well as his known position in the 80's.

In order to vote for a party, basic competence should be a given - Labour don't demonstrate that at the minute. The fact he managed to botch a stunt on a not overcrowded train beggers belief. He only needed to go on a Southern service any day of the week of the week to prove his point. It's amateur hour, student politics and it gives the Tories a free hand. That's the real shame. The decimation at the polls during this election will effectively mean that we've got 10 more years of a Tory government.
 






Lower West Stander

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Moshe Gariani said:
This is precisely my view. Jeremy Corbyn would absolutely destroy Theresa May in a free debate about their political values and policies - which is why she is so scared of going up against him.

Jeremy Corbyn is capable of consistently articulate and persuasive argument while Theresa May pathetically fails to hide her lack of intellect by spouting stupidly repetitive soundbites. One of these two individuals is apparently "unelectable".
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Does that include Corbyn's support of the IRA when they were murdering people in the 70s and 80s?

Was the "principle" of a united Ireland sufficient to merit that?
 


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Hastings gull

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Nov 23, 2013
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Moshe Gariani said:
This is precisely my view. Jeremy Corbyn would absolutely destroy Theresa May in a free debate about their political values and policies - which is why she is so scared of going up against him.
Jeremy Corbyn is capable of consistently articulate and persuasive argument while Theresa May pathetically fails to hide her lack of intellect by spouting stupidly repetitive soundbites. One of these two individuals is apparently "unelectable".
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I wonder if NSC gives prizes for simplistic bias -this would surely win.
 


JC Footy Genius

JC Footy Genius

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Jun 9, 2015
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mikeyjh said:
I think Corbyn is a principled man, certainly different from the norm with a long long list of left of centre policies that I wholeheartedly agree with him. Indeed he has a lot of policies that a lot of people agree with. He seems to be more than capable of taking on May each week so I so no reason why he could represent the country on the international scene.

That to one side, what is that makes Corbyn non viable? Outside of the shameful media representation of Corbyn as a loon an 'unelectable', what is that people have figured out for themselves?

For what it's worth, it's like a self-fulfilling prophecy, the media's damning of Corbyn as 'unelectable' will probably result in him being so.
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Posted this before as I am somewhat confused as to why he is considered a man of principle.

Is he the principled man who voted to come out of the common market, opposed the EC/EU project for decades then asked Labour voters to vote Remain?

Or the principled man who on one hand says antisemitism is awful and completely unacceptable while on the other sharing platforms with and calling friends people who want Israel wiped of the map and think it's OK to kill Jewish civilians?

Perhaps he is the principled man who some claim was a champion of peace in Northern Ireland while in practice was only chummy with one type of terrorist and actually voted against the Anglo Irish agreement because it made a united Ireland less likely.

The principled man who says he is shocked and appalled by far left intimidation of his Labour political opponents and says everything must be done to prevent this .. but when it comes to actually doing something like allowing a secret ballot in the NEC, ignores the tearful pleading of fearful NEC members who have already been subject to threats, insisting those that vote against his view are clearly identifiable.

Could it be his principles on demanding party loyalty, standing behind and supporting the elected Labour Leader and his agenda .. the same man who voted (hundreds of times) against numerous previous elected Labour Leaders and their policies.

Principles that mean he can reconscile his unilateralist beliefs while leading a party committed to retaining a nuclear deterrent.

He is clearly one of the' If I believe something long enough and hard enough everyone will see the light too' .. delusional dreamers. Should have stuck to speaking at Stop The War/CND/Free Palestine gigs instead of embarking on the destruction of the Labour party as a credible opposition/government in waiting
 




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Hastings gull

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Nov 23, 2013
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attila said:
The real blame must be put at the feet of those who refuse to serve under a leader twice elected with a massive majority, head of the biggest political party in Europe, with an army of canvassers ready to go in the GE. Having said that, in that interview Abbott made Bellotti look plausible.
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Strange how you end the sentence there - would you be talking about the electorate or the converted ?
 


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Hastings gull

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Nov 23, 2013
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JC Footy Genius said:
Posted this before as I am somewhat confused as to why he is considered a man of principle.

Is he the principled man who voted to come out of the common market, opposed the EC/EU project for decades then asked Labour voters to vote Remain?

Or the principled man who on one hand says antisemitism is awful and completely unacceptable while on the other sharing platforms with and calling friends people who want Israel wiped of the map and think it's OK to kill Jewish civilians?

Perhaps he is the principled man who some claim was a champion of peace in Northern Ireland while in practice was only chummy with one type of terrorist and actually voted against the Anglo Irish agreement because it made a united Ireland less likely.

The principled man who says he is shocked and appalled by far left intimidation of his Labour political opponents and says everything must be done to prevent this .. but when it comes to actually doing something like allowing a secret ballot in the NEC, ignores the tearful pleading of fearful NEC members who have already been subject to threats, insisting those that vote against his view are clearly identifiable.

Could it be his principles on demanding party loyalty, standing behind and supporting the elected Labour Leader and his agenda .. the same man who voted (hundreds of times) against numerous previous elected Labour Leaders and their policies.

Principles that mean he can reconscile his unilateralist beliefs while leading a party committed to retaining a nuclear deterrent.

He is clearly one of the' If I believe something long enough and hard enough everyone will see the light too' .. delusional dreamers. Should have stuck to speaking at Stop The War/CND/Free Palestine gigs instead of embarking on the destruction of the Labour party as a credible opposition/government in waiting
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Absolutely. And don't forget the train journey when he showed that he is like so many other politicians. But the converted swallow it up. isn't there some saying like "there are none so blind as those . . .
 


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