alfredmizen
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Well done Eric Pickles
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happypig
Staring at the rude boys
Eh ? Voting is the right of every adult (with some exceptions), not having a passport or driving license doesn't invalidate that.
Perhaps it should? Not having the wherewithal to either need or apply for a passport/license in the modern era does tend to make you question what the individual is capable of giving to society.
A passport at £80 is only £8 per year. The world has changed, my parents would be flabbergasted that I travel overseas for work on at least 2 or 3 occasions every year.
But I can use my passport for all of these. I don't follow your point about my life being easier due to an ID card.
You don't need an ID card to vote. I'm not sure about whether a passport is needed to vote.
If this is the case then it's a total non-issue.
Leekbrookgull
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Always wondered that myself,however is this the plan for national I/D Cards ?
happypig
Staring at the rude boys
Perhaps it should? Not having the wherewithal to either need or apply for a passport/license in the modern era does tend to make you question what the individual is capable of giving to society.
So you're advocating a plutocracy where only people with a certain amount of disposable income are allowed to vote ?
What about my mother in law ? She doesn't have a passport or driving license any more and, as she lives in a nursing home, has no utility bills. Would you take away her right to vote ? She's probably given more to society that you have.
You seem to be defending the indefensible and making yourself look like a bit of a tit doing so.
Leekbrookgull
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So Herr Tubthumper do you actually believe that out 31m votes cast only 53 were dodgy ?
Leekbrookgull
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It,s a plan for National I/D cards. Simple.
Perhaps it should? Not having the wherewithal to either need or apply for a passport/license in the modern era does tend to make you question what the individual is capable of giving to society.
That is a thoroughly f*cking ignorant statement my friend.
The question was about whether these are needed for voting.
I'm just going by what [MENTION=5001]The Merry Prankster[/MENTION] posted. It's not something I've researched myself. Is it more wide spread?
Leekbrookgull
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I suspect like yourself (?) it may well be ?
clapham_gull
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Odd one.
My foreign friends can't understand why we don't have ID cards in this country. My opposition to it isn't political, I just don't see the point.
I'll admit to not knowing the ins and outs abroad, but I'd imagine if issued in the last 20 years incredibly open to forgery.
If a new system was proposed incredibly open to hacking.
So I'm stuck in two minds, but elections haven't changed for years.
Simply saying turn up with a driving license or passport, well I'm cynical. Will stop those who haven't either to bother and that will undoubtedly be poorer voters.
Appears to taken 5 minutes to think about.
There must be a better way. Issue everyone every 5 years with a unique code that they scan. Let the process take place over a whole week.
My foreign friends can't understand why we don't have ID cards in this country. My opposition to it isn't political, I just don't see the point.
I'll admit to not knowing the ins and outs abroad, but I'd imagine if issued in the last 20 years incredibly open to forgery.
If a new system was proposed incredibly open to hacking.
So I'm stuck in two minds, but elections haven't changed for years.
Simply saying turn up with a driving license or passport, well I'm cynical. Will stop those who haven't either to bother and that will undoubtedly be poorer voters.
Appears to taken 5 minutes to think about.
There must be a better way. Issue everyone every 5 years with a unique code that they scan. Let the process take place over a whole week.
Why do you think it's more wide spread? And how much more wide spread?
crookie
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There are obviously issues that need addressing if this is the case https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/apr/05/politics.localgovernment
As I said earlier, why couldn't we introduce some form of cheap ID in the form of a Citizen Card or something ? Personally I find it bizarre that someone wants to go through life not wishing to drive or be able to travel abroad, but if that's genuinely the case, for whatever reason, it shouldn't preclude their right to vote.
crookie
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This link is from 2005 and over 11 years old. The link states criminal charges were expected. What was the outcome?
crookie
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Regardless of your party political persuasion, surely trying to ensure that only those legally allowed to vote are permitted to is a good thing. And also ensuring those votes are freely and anonymously cast as well is of massive importance.