It really is the last resort of a desperate mob: “give us what we demand or we’ll tear the place up”.
They might have a stronger case if they’d clarified what they wanted 2.5 years ago.
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It really is the last resort of a desperate mob: “give us what we demand or we’ll tear the place up”.
They might have a stronger case if they’d clarified what they wanted 2.5 years ago.
nicko31
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Our own PM was yesterday trying to talk up civil unrest, she is now just so desperate.
Enough is enough, the grown ups need to take back control, May failed at the home office, failed against Gina Miller, failed to win an election, lost the biggest parliamentary vote in history and now is trying to sail Britain towards an iceberg and doesn't care who gets hurt...
Absolutely. If we really are going to sail over this waterfall of yellow dog shit let’s at least hand the reigns to someone more competent. Inspector Cleseau maybe?
Green Cross Code Man
Wunt be druv
Your posts are getting more desperate and a little hilarious. First, as a remainer, you don't want us to pay our dues (as Cunning Fergus said we aren't legally obligated but it is more a question of honour) which is quite a Brexiteer thing to complain about.
If you are truly concerned about the poor, what is your comment on the Greek situation, taken from the moment the EU fudged the stability pact and allowed them to join the Euro?
Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
Am I reading a Smith & Jones head to head across a table sketch here?
nicko31 & The Clamp. Bravo.
nicko31 & The Clamp. Bravo.
You can read?!
nicko31
Well-known member
Your first line is confused and evades the subject anyway
If you want to talk about Greece start a new thread.
Keep on the subject
Lets leave it there
Green Cross Code Man
Wunt be druv
Leave it there. Said no remainer ever.
Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
pastafarian
Well-known member
You can carry on believing the nonsense inferred around this video if you like, but you will simply remain in ignorance.
No matter how much you think he is saying we could have a second referendum after withdrawal negotiations are completed, he isn’t. You are hearing only what you want to hear after being fooled into doing so.
Are you gullible or easily manipulated?
pastafarian
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Klaas
I've changed this
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Gosh. I've never been mentioned in a post because I've GIVEN A THUMBS UP to another poster before.
Some uncharitable people say that this kind of behaviour is the the hallmark of a an obsessive loner who spends far, far to much time 'hanging out' with the dregs of the internet.
Not me though. I'm far too nice.
“I think many people are now realising that we would support this deal to get it over the line.”
Conservative Brexiteer MP Nadine Dorries could vote for Theresa May’s deal “in the light of…these europhile kamikaze MPs”
Going to see this more over the next few days, Brixiteers/ERG are going to vote for this deal.
Conservative Brexiteer MP Nadine Dorries could vote for Theresa May’s deal “in the light of…these europhile kamikaze MPs”
Going to see this more over the next few days, Brixiteers/ERG are going to vote for this deal.
cunning fergus
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- Jan 18, 2009
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The intentions of any Government to spend taxpayers monry should be set out in its election manifesto, a document made available to the public before an election. Whilst i know done of that is spin, increases to Govt spending and initatives are broadly set out.
The spending and performance of any UK Govt is always under scrutiny by the opposition and press/media which means to a greater or lesser extent the Govt is held accountable.
The EU conmission that directs where the EU budget is spent is not a) directly elected by the citizens or b) held accoutable in the same way. The EU model is therefore a worse alternative for managing how Govts spend taxpayers money.
It is a fact that any Govt spending taxpayers money will do so disproportionately, and spending more money in Liverpool rather than London is one thing, giving money to an institution to spend in other countries is another.
If British taxpayers can afford to give away billions to poorer foreign countries, I expect th UK to have no austerity, no programme of Govt cuts, no debt.
What about you, are you with [MENTION=33848]The Clamp[/MENTION]s view that we should hand over all our tax income to the EU?
nicko31
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nicko31
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Pasta, please keep posting. I know you're arguments have run out of road. But we do need some humour in uncertain times...
cunning fergus
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- Jan 18, 2009
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I dare say you do, given your stated position the costs of another layer of Govt, civil service, expenses and everything else would be a cost you are prepared to bare in order to move to a fully federalised EU with the UK embedded into it. Presumably in this model the EU you can take advantage of upsides to reduce the equivalent layers of resources in the UK? You never know maybe you could save money if you moved a proportion of the back office bureaucracy to say Slovakia? How does this sound to you?
happypig
Staring at the rude boys
Make Chris Grayling the Brexit Secretary and leave him to it. In ten years we'll still be in the EU and it will all be the Unions' fault.
cunning fergus
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- Jan 18, 2009
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The thing is you are essentially proposing to introduce 2 alternatives, 1) hand over spending responsibility to the EU whenever there is a Tory Govt or 2) Hand over full responsibility now.
We know 1) won’t happen but 2) could in a fully integrated EU with U.K. at the centre. I think this step would help remainders provide a more positive outlook on the future to, forecasts of doom are tiresome. What is the future for an integrated UK in the EU?
To clarify, I don’t really want to hand over all taxes to the EU, I exaggerated. But I am more than happy to give them the 0.07% we currently do.
Whilst I understand that this may soon be coming to an abrupt end, I also don’t really see it has “handing over money to the EU” as if they are an entity, abstract from the U.K. I see it as contributing to a community pot. A community we are part of. I consider my money going to another part of that community, be it Hull or a foreign country (or admin and salary costs, which are all accountable and available for anyone to review) as a worthwhile contribution to the community.
I don’t consider it a good thing to leave that community.
And you know, I’m pretty much done on that subject now.
Whilst I understand that this may soon be coming to an abrupt end, I also don’t really see it has “handing over money to the EU” as if they are an entity, abstract from the U.K. I see it as contributing to a community pot. A community we are part of. I consider my money going to another part of that community, be it Hull or a foreign country (or admin and salary costs, which are all accountable and available for anyone to review) as a worthwhile contribution to the community.
I don’t consider it a good thing to leave that community.
And you know, I’m pretty much done on that subject now.
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