pastafarian
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Its frightening how much of the millions Labour have received in the run up to the election have come from the Unions.
How much power does that buy them if Jeremy wins?
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General Election 2017
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Its frightening how much of the millions Labour have received in the run up to the election have come from the Unions.
How much power does that buy them if Jeremy wins?
kevo
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- Mar 8, 2008
- 9,103
Disabilities campaigner says Tory policies have resulted in many suicides:
https://twitter.com/VictoriaLIVE/status/869120951798996992
https://twitter.com/VictoriaLIVE/status/869120951798996992
A 'fail' in the non hand wringing, limp wristed world.
spring hall convert
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A Tory majority of 30 is a massive failure for May. If Labour could stop themselves from imploding she'd be gone in 6 months and then we're back to where we were in June '16, with the added pressure of the A50 clock ticking.
Problem is, I think 30 is very optimistic. Poll of polls suggests 60-80.
spring hall convert
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happypig
Staring at the rude boys
Theresa having a shocker in Devon too, described by the reporter as "Three minutes of nothing" :
(source http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/thr...pm-encounter/story-30363961-detail/story.html)
(source http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/thr...pm-encounter/story-30363961-detail/story.html)
Agree anything under 50 is not good news for May. 30 would make her a dead woman walking.
I agree 60+ appears likely.
If the PLP had backed JC & there had been no leadership challenge this would have been a very interesting election (although arguably May would likely not have called it if Labour had been more coherent).
spring hall convert
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Something in the region of 30-50 would be ridiculously interesting. I fear we won't get to see it though.
I can't be bothered to waste my time trying to find it now, but I explained on the thread in question that they were just bottles left over from a birthday. They weren't chilled and not a drop was quaffed on election night.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 35,312
increasingly seeing this... why would doubling your majority be a failure? aside from the majority, the election deals with the Lords, who were threatening to stonewall any EU legislation, with a manifesto commitment they are obliged to let it go through. and they've dropped the awkward tax promise and pension triple lock. 30 seat majority might not be what was expected based on the polling, but is an improved position.
bWize
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- Nov 6, 2007
- 1,685
Corbyn 17 point lead in London according to You Gov poll
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ister-theresa-may-conservatives-a7766941.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ister-theresa-may-conservatives-a7766941.html
spring hall convert
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Why would anyone expect it to show the result of the actual election? A variety of factors means that an NSC poll is never going to be representative of the nation as a whole or any single seat.
What the difference between the first and second polls on here illustrated was a narrowing of the national gap. It certainly got my attention anyway.
spring hall convert
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I think it would be very challenging to keep a lid on internal frictions after such a grim campaign with an end result nowhere near the expectation that you set out yourself at the start. I'm not saying she wouldn't try and re-frame 30 as a good result but it would be quite an ask. Would the increase in majority have been worth the damage to her personal brand?
EDIT: At 30 was having the threat of an election in her back pocket and ridiculously positive poll/ personal ratings vs a opposition leader in a terrible state better than having 30 but being personally damaged against possibly emboldened opposition.
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Second poll results.
(I'll not try and remember how to strip the poll out and add a new one again...)
(I'll not try and remember how to strip the poll out and add a new one again...)
Kalimantan Gull
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Ooh, a new poll. Well my general election vote is already in the post, so my click on this poll is a statement of fact 
JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
- 10,568
Agreed, also I think she was looking to get a big enough majority to diminish the influence of the 60 ish MP Brexiteer faction and other factions within the parliamentary party. 30 ish would leave her weakened with little room to manoeover re the Brexit negotiations.
spring hall convert
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What if one of the key reasons for you getting married was that you constantly boasted about how excellent your household financial planning was though?
Rewind to 2010, Osborne made huge commitments on the deficit that got them in. These commitments were constantly challenged in the campaign by Alastair Darling as being unrealistic. By 2015 Osborne failed to deliver by a huge margin, whilst causing a great deal of pain but yet the Tories were never held accountable.
That they now give it this 'judge us on our record,' sticks in my craw. Their record is continually failing to hit targets that they set for themselves.
Wrong-Direction
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- Mar 10, 2013
- 13,425
The more debates and facts I hear makes me think how much of a total thick as shit **** you have to be to vote tory, unless you're in the 5% then go ahead ya cretins
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JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
- 10,568
YouGov consistently shows Labour support in the most positive light. Which is probably why so many lefties on here keep highlighting their findings. Possible reasons for this pro Labour showing include the usual over-representation of Labour voters in samples .. or a sophisticated new modelling that is pretty accurate .. or Russia hacking/interference.
They will either be proved right in a weeks time or yet another round of pollster soul searching will be needed. (Option 2)