[Politics] Brexit

Baldseagull · Oct 23, 2016

Norman Baker suck my lozenge said:
Thankfully we're off so don't have to worry about this corrupt bunch of nonces for much longer.
Happy,happy days.

The OP has made an assumption that the EU will do something underhand, they have not actually done anything underhand here.

GoldWithFalmer · Oct 23, 2016

Diego Napier said:
the question is if the UK has poor productivity rates in the EU why would they increase after brexit?

Not saying that the answer lays with immigration but the trend appears to show after a sustained high level that productivity can suffer with perhaps too much Labour flocking to the country.

Zero hours contracts and perhaps less quality manufacturing jobs contribute...

Overall though the top graph clearly shows a decline since the crash of 2008..

Not entirely sure what the answer is..

GT49er · Oct 23, 2016

Are we now headed toward an EU superstate dictatorship?

They might be. We're not. Thank goodness for the common sense and intelligence of the Great British electorate!

Neville's Breakfast · Oct 23, 2016

Baldseagull said:
The OP has made an assumption that the EU will do something underhand, they have not actually done anything underhand here.

You are very loyal to the EU empire !

e77 · Oct 23, 2016

Last I checked we were leaving. But I am sure that against all historical precedence they will rush into giving us a good deal.

Absolutely nothing to worry about.

CheeseRolls · Oct 23, 2016

Don't know - but I think I may have uncovered my ultimate job description. Who wouldn't want to be Leader of the Walloons.

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Lord Bracknell · Oct 23, 2016

It's not about the EU. It's about Belgium, who have agreed that the wishes of the majority of Belgians can be over-ruled by the wishes of the Walloon minority.

Lord Bracknell · Oct 23, 2016

And it's no different from the UK government saying that Brexit is the ONLY option, even if the UK electorate decide that they don't like the final negotiated settlement.

Baldseagull · Oct 23, 2016

Collingburnian said:
Mr. Juncker, the appointed, not elected, "CEO" of the EU has said all along that he wants the EU to be a supranational organisation, with him telling all what they may or may not do. That is effectively a dictatorship and is a very good reason for us to be out of it

He was nominated for the position by the European council, who voted 26 to 2 (us and Hungary opposed) and elected to the position by the European Parliament.(422 for, 250 against). He had a far better majority than leave did in the Brexit referendum.

Baldseagull · Oct 23, 2016

Neville's Breakfast said:
You are very loyal to the EU empire !

I just prefer it if people/institutions are judged for what they do, not what someone thinks they might do.

Thunder Bolt · Oct 23, 2016

Jim D said:
With one small sub-state (Wallonia) blocking the Canadian trade agreement the EU has now told the Canadians that they will clear the blockage. From what I can understand (and presuming the Walloons don't arbitrarily decide to agree the deal) the only way to do this is either to bribe them or bypass them. Either way this will set a dangerous precedent. 'bribery' can come in many forms but will be against the current rules on giving special treatment to member states, but it is the bypass option that concerns me the most. In order to do this the EU will need to override a legitimate power of veto. Once that particular genie is out of the bottle it won't go back and will be available in the future. I'm sure there are several leaders or would-be leaders quite excited by this prospect.
Yet another reason to be glad we're soon to be no part of this corrupt and increasingly dictatorial organisation.

My understanding is that Wallonia's concerns are just something, which will be sorted out within a week or so. 27 countries agree but one district has concerns so it holds up the agreement. That's the opposite of dictatorship.

It's what was pointed out, when the leavers kept throwing Turkey into their arguments. Turkey is a long long way from entering the EU, and any one country can veto it, including us (until we leave).

Neville's Breakfast · Oct 23, 2016

Baldseagull said:
I just prefer it if people/institutions are judged for what they do, not what someone thinks they might do.

Fair enough, you could apply the same standard to the Brexit process then ?

Herr Tubthumper · Oct 23, 2016

Jim D said:
With one small sub-state (Wallonia) blocking the Canadian trade agreement the EU has now told the Canadians that they will clear the blockage. From what I can understand (and presuming the Walloons don't arbitrarily decide to agree the deal) the only way to do this is either to bribe them or bypass them. Either way this will set a dangerous precedent. 'bribery' can come in many forms but will be against the current rules on giving special treatment to member states, but it is the bypass option that concerns me the most. In order to do this the EU will need to override a legitimate power of veto. Once that particular genie is out of the bottle it won't go back and will be available in the future. I'm sure there are several leaders or would-be leaders quite excited by this prospect.
Yet another reason to be glad we're soon to be no part of this corrupt and increasingly dictatorial organisation.

You voted to leave. It's of no concern to you what the EU gets up to now.

Buzzer · Oct 23, 2016

Cheshire Cat said:
FFS give it a rest.

A bit like corrupt and tyrannical English dictatorship preventing Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland fulfilling their independent destiny?

Eh? England doesn't have a tyranny, it's not a dictatorship, Wales and Northern Ireland are overwhelmingly in favour of remaining in the Union, a majority of Scots only 2 years ago voted to stay in, all the polls indicate that position hasn't changed and all 3 of those countries are devolved. Oh, and the UK is officially one of the least corrupt countries in the world.

Apart from that, you're spot on!

Buzzer · Oct 23, 2016

Lord Bracknell said:
And it's no different from the UK government saying that Brexit is the ONLY option, even if the UK electorate decide that they don't like the final negotiated settlement.

Err...no. It's nothing like that.

portslade seagull · Oct 23, 2016

CheeseRolls said:
Don't know - but I think I may have uncovered my ultimate job description. Who wouldn't want to be Leader of the Walloons.

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Sounds like an Australian rugby team

portslade seagull · Oct 23, 2016

Herr Tubthumper said:
You voted to leave. It's of no concern to you what the EU gets up to now.

Thank god for that as it's heading to ruin

BensGrandad · Oct 23, 2016

Was it not Sir Winston who predicted that one day Germany will rule Europe?

jaghebby · Oct 23, 2016

Herr Tubthumper · Oct 23, 2016

BensGrandad said:
Was it not Sir Winston who predicted that one day Germany will rule Europe?

I think you're confusing Churchill with Herr Tubthumper??

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