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Trump/Farrage/NATO
- Thread starter larus
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JCL666
absurdism
- Sep 23, 2011
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Huh?
I posted "The rise of the alt-right is as bad as the neoliberalism we've seen previously. That coupled with the post fact bullsh*t espoused by the likes of Trump and Farage is definitely cause for concern.
You then quoted me and posted this
Can you enlighten me as to why you replied to my post, because I cannot see the link between Farage, Trump, alt-right, neoliberalism and there being an awakening of libertarianism?
Two Professors
Two Mad Professors
The Germans and French have been neglecting their NATO financial targets for years by large amounts.To be fair,the French have spent an enormous amount on nuclear weapons and delivery systems (third biggest nuclear weapons stockpile).
Bannon is a very interesting appointment.Trump has been going for the fluffy option this week,then appoints a real rottweiler as his attack dog.The political establishment must be bricking it,as he will find and publish any dirty washing he can.Interesting times,and it wouldn't surprise me if Farage gets an official position in Team Trump.As for the rubbish about the USA not paying UN contributions,it provides more than 20% of the total budget,and 30% of the military budget.More left-wing distortion/lies!
Bannon is a very interesting appointment.Trump has been going for the fluffy option this week,then appoints a real rottweiler as his attack dog.The political establishment must be bricking it,as he will find and publish any dirty washing he can.Interesting times,and it wouldn't surprise me if Farage gets an official position in Team Trump.As for the rubbish about the USA not paying UN contributions,it provides more than 20% of the total budget,and 30% of the military budget.More left-wing distortion/lies!
I would guess very recently, and that Farage ain't wearing a poppy as no one reminded him to do so.
Green Cross Code Man
Wunt be druv
This. No good bleating on about the far right (who I deplore) without recognising that all of the current needs we are in is due to the unparalleled leeway Blair and his ilk in Europe and the USA had when going to war, loosening banking culpability and ignoring the growing dissatisfaction from a large part of the electorate.
Pavilionaire
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- Jul 7, 2003
- 30,578
Trump and Farage - a pair of cults.
Brighton Mod
Its All Too Beautiful
We appear to be fixated on the West when we should be looking at the East.Putin strolls down the med with a fleet to aid the tragedy in Syria and no doubt bolster the Turks who are sending some very disturbing messages at the moment. All we hear from almost every source of the media is how right wing Trump might be as if its the only show in town. Trump will not be a problem to us, but Russia is flexing its muscles unnopposed and currently has the momentum on the world stage where is the voice of the EU, the labour party, the left wing intelligentsia, the media and the experts. They' re too busy talking and arguing against what has already been decided, too much talk not enough action, reminds me of Bismarck bat in the 1860s.
deletebeepbeepbeep
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- May 12, 2009
- 20,959
Over the weekend Farage was enjoying himself with the global elite, it would normally be expected for a party political leader to be at the Cenotaph. In fact I expect those following the cult of Farage would crucify Corbyn if he had done similar but I expect Farage himself will get a free pass.
Meanwhile, Corbyn is getting stitched up with cropped photos by the Daily Mail and the Sun propaganda machine, whilst actually attending the Downing Street parade.
symyjym
Banned
NATO is a name for an agreement and we live in a different world today. Once we understand that Russia is not an enemy we will realise that NATO isn’t really applicable. If anything Europe and Russia need closer ties and agreements in place because we have to protect our own continent. We could probably do with a Euro military and air force these days but do the US need to be a major part of it?
It is more important for Europe and Russia to see peace in the Middle East than it is for the US, because the US is half a world away. It is more important for Europe and Russia to align in strategy and with the US involved it makes it more complicated
If this is all about oil and energy I don’t care where I get it from or who gets rich from it because it makes no difference to my pocket. Our choice is lining the pockets of a rich Americans or lining the pockets of rich Russians so it really doesn’t matter who is providing or selling the resources? Maybe having a Russia with a better economy is better for Europe than fighting to keep it poor?
I certainly begrudge our money going to the Sunni states who only invest in Wahhabism, Islamic school of thought and the financing of extremist imams. Iran is more pragmatic in its approach to world politics than the Saudi’s and Shia Iran is not the same country as 10-40 years ago. Sunni Islam is impossible to work with and Shia Islam is less so.
If NATO is all about promoting Wahhabism, by design or default, and threatening Russia we need to take a seriously good look at ourselves and the purpose of NATO.
It is more important for Europe and Russia to see peace in the Middle East than it is for the US, because the US is half a world away. It is more important for Europe and Russia to align in strategy and with the US involved it makes it more complicated
If this is all about oil and energy I don’t care where I get it from or who gets rich from it because it makes no difference to my pocket. Our choice is lining the pockets of a rich Americans or lining the pockets of rich Russians so it really doesn’t matter who is providing or selling the resources? Maybe having a Russia with a better economy is better for Europe than fighting to keep it poor?
I certainly begrudge our money going to the Sunni states who only invest in Wahhabism, Islamic school of thought and the financing of extremist imams. Iran is more pragmatic in its approach to world politics than the Saudi’s and Shia Iran is not the same country as 10-40 years ago. Sunni Islam is impossible to work with and Shia Islam is less so.
If NATO is all about promoting Wahhabism, by design or default, and threatening Russia we need to take a seriously good look at ourselves and the purpose of NATO.
Machiavelli
Well-known member
There's two things I think are absurd in here:
-- that Russia under Putin should be our friend: Russia is utterly corrupt, and Putin has halted any hope for it
-- that "NATO is all about promoting Wahhabism": really? that's all it's about?
looney
Banned
- Jul 7, 2003
- 15,652
One English and one American?
AmexRuislip
Trainee Spy 🕵️♂️
Are you chastising me as well [MENTION=277]looney[/MENTION]
, I've already been bollocked over calling L&H clowns
looney
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- Jul 7, 2003
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Are you chastising me as well [MENTION=277]looney[/MENTION]
No it doesn't matter. If Brexit and Trump proved anything its that the power of the media to influence is very limited.
symyjym
Banned
That is the subjective world view that has been sold to you. The west has built itself on corruption so we don't monopolise a moral high ground on the subject.
Indirectly the west has financed Sunni Wahhabism growth in this form of Islam. Mecca is built on oil not Allah and it exports a dangerous culture in the form of religion.
cunning fergus
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- Jan 18, 2009
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But surely the Brexit and Trump elections prove that many people in the electorate have learnt from their mistakes?
The neo liberal political ideology of occupying the centre ground has been rejected, as have the promises of the same old centrist politicians saying they will make changes etc.
Trump and Brexit should be afforded the time to flourish, its on this basis that only time will tell if it has genuinely benefitted the US and UK respectively.
Only then can you say you were right.
Not disagreeing but believe Mecca is built on Mohammed. The UK is supplying arms at considerable profit to Saudi to bomb the shit out of thousands of Yemeni civilians.
cunning fergus
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- Jan 18, 2009
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We were referring to neo liberalism of which Blair was a high Priest. We know what it means now of course, hence his reputation is so toxic the remain campaign wanted to keep him out of the public debate on Brexit. This was a man committed to joining the euro....
Dreadful man poisonous ideology.......
That isn't true. There is corruption all around the world, the west has built itself on trading, industrialising, and capitalism.
pb21
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- Apr 23, 2010
- 6,311
Have people 'learnt from their mistakes' though?
Is Trump and/or the Rebublican going to end neoliberal politics in the US?
Is Brexit and/or Farage going to end neoliberal politics in the UK or the EU?