Turkey joining the EU is a Brexiter scare tactic. It's not happening. Every single EU member state has to okay Turkey joining, will they? no. It also has to undertake 35 set of 'chapter' reforms to be admitted. Turkey has completed one. I can tell you now it is failing the 'vibrant democracy' part of the deal.
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Turkey joining the EU is a Brexiter scare tactic. It's not happening. Every single EU member state has to okay Turkey joining, will they? no. It also has to undertake 35 set of 'chapter' reforms to be admitted. Turkey has completed one. I can tell you now it is failing the 'vibrant democracy' part of the deal.
Within 10 years there will be a kebab shop on every street corner.
pastafarian
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I know, what was everyone thinking,bit silly of us really.
And to think we had that control all along and we could stop all EU migrants coming here to live and work tomorrow simply by telling the border guards to say no.
As I said I wish you lot had mentioned this sooner.
OK perhaps we shouldn’t stop all of them tomorrow,but its getting a bit busy around here, perhaps with our new found controls/controls we always had but didn’t realise we could just let in some Dutch and Germans at first and put a block on all Italians, Romanians, and Spanish.
Sounds fair doesn’t it? Or do you have a better list of EU nationals we could prioritise.
The Belgians are a bit of a rum lot perhaps we could just block them from coming here to live and work.Polish plumbers are ok as well I suppose but lets control all the ones that want to work in a cafés.
I feel a great weight has been lifted ……thanks for clarifying border controls
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The whole point of Turkey keeping back Economic migrants is so they can eventually be fast tracked in to joining the EU.
http://www.politico.eu/article/turkey-eu-concessions-refugee-help-migration-crisis-merkel-erdogan-germany/
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/666197/EU-Turkey-deal-migrant-crisis-Ukraine
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larus
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[MENTION=409]Herr Tubthumper[/MENTION] , I would be very interested in your view as to what the outcome of the EURO will be.
Let's start with a few FACTS (not opinions or left-wing newspaper articles).
1. There has NEVER been a currency union which has survived without full FISCAL and POLITCAL union.
2. It is widely accepted that the EURO cannot survive in it's current state due to the imbalances within the Eurozone.
3. The Eurozone area combined GDP is still below the 2008 pre-crisis level. The U.K. Is not.
So, the only eventual outcome for the EURO is either:
1. Full FISCAL and POLITICAL union - or
2. Collapse due to internal strains.
The only reason the UK works as a single currency for 4 countries, is that we accept the over-arching structure of the UK. So, the wealth generating benefits of London/SE get distributed to the areas which need more support. For the EURO to survive long-term, this MUST happen. However, can you honestly see the Germans, Dutch, Fins agreeing to transfer their taxes to support the (as they view it) 'lazy' Mediterranean life-style.
I honestly can't. Once the EURO collapses (which it will eventually), the structure of Europe will change fundamentally. This will have a huge impact on the global financial institutions, as it will be fast and disorderly. Protectionism will become rampant.
We were given all of the same scare stories years ago about not joining the EURO. Well, guess what - for all of those scare stories, we've actually done rather well over here. The sky didn't fall in. The financial institutions didn't transfer to Paris/Frankfurt.
And , as for a slight drop in economic activity over the last few months, well I'd happens. Any intelligent person understands that economic activity is not 'straight-line', and more importantly, the official figures don't encompass the whole economy, are an indication and not totally accurate, and are nearly always revised upwards post the event. I remember you harking on about the double/triple dip recession which we supposedly suffered a few years ago, but when the figures were adjusted due to more data being available, we never went back into recession again.
And, as for being able to control our borders. Again, you remain lot are disingenuous (being polite there). Yes, we can check who comes into the country. We CANNOT stop any EU citizen choosing to come here to work. This is what the BREXIT camp claim. You know it but continually repeat the same drivel that we can control.
Let's start with a few FACTS (not opinions or left-wing newspaper articles).
1. There has NEVER been a currency union which has survived without full FISCAL and POLITCAL union.
2. It is widely accepted that the EURO cannot survive in it's current state due to the imbalances within the Eurozone.
3. The Eurozone area combined GDP is still below the 2008 pre-crisis level. The U.K. Is not.
So, the only eventual outcome for the EURO is either:
1. Full FISCAL and POLITICAL union - or
2. Collapse due to internal strains.
The only reason the UK works as a single currency for 4 countries, is that we accept the over-arching structure of the UK. So, the wealth generating benefits of London/SE get distributed to the areas which need more support. For the EURO to survive long-term, this MUST happen. However, can you honestly see the Germans, Dutch, Fins agreeing to transfer their taxes to support the (as they view it) 'lazy' Mediterranean life-style.
I honestly can't. Once the EURO collapses (which it will eventually), the structure of Europe will change fundamentally. This will have a huge impact on the global financial institutions, as it will be fast and disorderly. Protectionism will become rampant.
We were given all of the same scare stories years ago about not joining the EURO. Well, guess what - for all of those scare stories, we've actually done rather well over here. The sky didn't fall in. The financial institutions didn't transfer to Paris/Frankfurt.
And , as for a slight drop in economic activity over the last few months, well I'd happens. Any intelligent person understands that economic activity is not 'straight-line', and more importantly, the official figures don't encompass the whole economy, are an indication and not totally accurate, and are nearly always revised upwards post the event. I remember you harking on about the double/triple dip recession which we supposedly suffered a few years ago, but when the figures were adjusted due to more data being available, we never went back into recession again.
And, as for being able to control our borders. Again, you remain lot are disingenuous (being polite there). Yes, we can check who comes into the country. We CANNOT stop any EU citizen choosing to come here to work. This is what the BREXIT camp claim. You know it but continually repeat the same drivel that we can control.
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Good post, nobody from Remain wants to face the real facts when presented to them, that we can never control the free movement of people all the time we are members of the EU.
I just don't understand what the thinking is behind the EU, I really don't. For example Albania will be joining shortly, what does anyone in the EU gain from them joining?
Economy wise this country sits 121st in the world for imports and exports, has unemployment running at 17% and an average wage of around 400 euros a month and has a higher crime rate than the UK.
So can someone in support of Remain tell me what the point of this is please?
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yxee
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I have no confidence in this defence. Assuming they won't try to bypass such an obvious rule this time, you think we'll get a national referendum to decide on that? No, it'll be a behind-closed-doors deal between Cameron and the EU. And I do not have any faith in his negotiating skills...
The deal will be done before you can say 'democracy'
The reason Turkey are housing so many "refugees" is so that they will be fast tracked into the EU.
Why are you so trusting of the EU?
It would appear that by voting to remain you could be voting for a roll back of the progress we have made on animal welfare ..... especially around chicken and egg production.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/apr/24/real-cost-of-roast-chicken-animal-welfare-farms
So if you quite fancy chickens being tortured then vote to stay. As a chicken keeper I'll not be voting to stay in an organisation that will bow to American demands in TTIP that would lower our welfare standards to theirs.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/apr/24/real-cost-of-roast-chicken-animal-welfare-farms
So if you quite fancy chickens being tortured then vote to stay. As a chicken keeper I'll not be voting to stay in an organisation that will bow to American demands in TTIP that would lower our welfare standards to theirs.
EU red tape is suffocating UK economy and Brexit can set us free
So the fact that 110 business leaders, including HSBC’s former boss Mike Geoghegan, have just signed a pro-Brexit letter is a great statement of intent, especially given that they explicitly single out EU regulation as a major threat to the City.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...cating-uk-economy-and-brexit-can-set-us-free/
Many of the names – Luke Johnson of Risk Capital Partners, Crispin Odey of Odey Asset Management, Paul Marshall, chairman of Marshall Wace, Peter Hargreaves, co-founder of Hargreaves Lansdown, Peter Cruddas, founder of CMC Markets and Dominic Burke of JLT – are entrepreneurs who have all built their own, world-class firms, including in the financial services industry.
So the fact that 110 business leaders, including HSBC’s former boss Mike Geoghegan, have just signed a pro-Brexit letter is a great statement of intent, especially given that they explicitly single out EU regulation as a major threat to the City.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...cating-uk-economy-and-brexit-can-set-us-free/
Many of the names – Luke Johnson of Risk Capital Partners, Crispin Odey of Odey Asset Management, Paul Marshall, chairman of Marshall Wace, Peter Hargreaves, co-founder of Hargreaves Lansdown, Peter Cruddas, founder of CMC Markets and Dominic Burke of JLT – are entrepreneurs who have all built their own, world-class firms, including in the financial services industry.
Brexit Would Create 60,000 Jobs & Boost Economy by BILLIONS Says Employment Minister.
European Union (EU) legislation is costing every household in Britain the equivalent of £4,600 a year, the employment minister Priti Patel has warned. And she said that British businesses are being stifled by Brussels red tape, arguing that setting them free could boost the economy by billions of pounds. (Breitbart)
Just SIX per cent of British companies export their goods and services to other EU member states — but all must comply with stringent regulations, costing small firms dearly –
“It is a fact that while we remain a member of the European Union, our hands are tied and we are powerless to act on reducing the burdens of red tape,” Ms. Patel told an audience of business leaders in London.
http://gbrexit.com/brexit/brexit-wo...economy-by-billions-says-employment-minister/
European Union (EU) legislation is costing every household in Britain the equivalent of £4,600 a year, the employment minister Priti Patel has warned. And she said that British businesses are being stifled by Brussels red tape, arguing that setting them free could boost the economy by billions of pounds. (Breitbart)
Just SIX per cent of British companies export their goods and services to other EU member states — but all must comply with stringent regulations, costing small firms dearly –
“It is a fact that while we remain a member of the European Union, our hands are tied and we are powerless to act on reducing the burdens of red tape,” Ms. Patel told an audience of business leaders in London.
http://gbrexit.com/brexit/brexit-wo...economy-by-billions-says-employment-minister/
ROSM
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Having worked with mg, I would take that as a reason to vote in.
If he'd had any economic sense hsbc wouldn't have bought into the subprime us market with household
Fair enough, and the other 109 business leaders?
ROSM
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Haven't read the full list but doubt I've worked with any of them.
Can only speak as I find and MG got overlooked to be chairman of hsbc when Stephen Green was enobled.
Trufflehound
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1: *cough* CFA Franc *cough*
3: Not true: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eurozone-economy-idUSKCN0XQ0WL
Other than that, nice FACTS.
I'm not but that is a hard political calculation. They get billions of Euros and we have some sort of solution to the crisis. Was visa free travel on the table previously? Events have forced hands. That is one thing, full membership is quite another.
GoldWithFalmer
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The remainer bang on about the economic shock to the tune of $4300/year worse of in 2030......i/we could be better off slightly if the population increase is not as high following an EU exit-
But i predict we could all be upto £10000/year worse off if we stay in by 2030 with a population of 80 million the cheap foreign work force will undercut everybody's wages..they will work for less than we will employers will lap it up across the board,they will happily accept a foreign worker who has every right to work here and will do the job for less money,they will love it..
Make no mistake we will lose out eventually if we remain in the EU.
But i predict we could all be upto £10000/year worse off if we stay in by 2030 with a population of 80 million the cheap foreign work force will undercut everybody's wages..they will work for less than we will employers will lap it up across the board,they will happily accept a foreign worker who has every right to work here and will do the job for less money,they will love it..
Make no mistake we will lose out eventually if we remain in the EU.
I also think we will lose out eventually if we remain in. I also think that the EU will eventually collapse but not before more countries are crippled like Greece. Best to get out now.
portslade seagull
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The more lies the remainers come out with the healthier the brexit vote becomes. People are not falling for the scaremongering anymore and are switching to out. Let them keep on they our losing this vote by their own hands
More scaremongering from the Brexiters I see. Page after page of it.