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Housing for the poor?



sir albion

New member
Jan 6, 2007
13,055
SWINDON
How do we go about dealing with this?
Here in reading the amount of people homeless and who can't get a property has jumped 700%:glare:
Another issue is people on benefits who just can't get a property around these parts as landlords are not interested in these types.Its becoming very scary now with the gulf between rich and poor ever growing and poor people being frozen out.

With new builds being built at a rate of knots and only roughly 20% being made available to housing associations and councils it's becoming a huge huge problem.

So what's the answer to this huge problem that's growing and please don't blame maggie thatcher:annoyed:
 

LamieRobertson

Not awoke
Feb 3, 2008
46,415
SHOREHAM BY SEA
How do we go about dealing with this?
Here in reading the amount of people homeless and who can't get a property has jumped 700%:glare:
Another issue is people on benefits who just can't get a property around these parts as landlords are not interested in these types.Its becoming very scary now with the gulf between rich and poor ever growing and poor people being frozen out.

With new builds being built at a rate of knots and only roughly 20% being made available to housing associations and councils it's becoming a huge huge problem.

So what's the answer to this huge problem that's growing and please don't blame maggie thatcher:annoyed:

Free caravans ..pitch up where u like

On a serious not Housing Associations haven't been funded sufficiently to take over the mantle of ye old council housing
 

TheJasperCo

Well-known member
Jan 20, 2012
4,587
Exeter
To be honest though, isn't your question subjective? Like the capital has tiny multi-million pound garages for sale, which could be better spent on a large detached mansion in the Cotswolds.

Is it alright if I blame Tony Blair's government for relaxing legislation to allow and encourage migrants to come here and steal our houses? :p
 

Superphil

Dismember
Jul 7, 2003
25,387
In a pile of football shirts
Council need to build more council houses, not housing association, not shared equity, just traditional council houses, which can then be given to the people who need them. Create the jobs to build them, manage them and maintain them, create something for the community.
 

sir albion

New member
Jan 6, 2007
13,055
SWINDON
To be honest though, isn't your question subjective? Like the capital has tiny multi-million pound garages for sale, which could be better spent on a large detached mansion in the Cotswolds.

Is it alright if I blame Tony Blair's government for relaxing legislation to allow and encourage migrants to come here and steal our houses? :p
Many things are to blame and migrants are certainly in that category...Few houses means landlords are taking the piss big time and no need anymore for them to welcome family's on benefits.
It's such a huge issue that just isn't really be dealt with fast enough...Christ we have some tough times ahead in this country.
 


sir albion

New member
Jan 6, 2007
13,055
SWINDON
Council need to build more council houses, not housing association, not shared equity, just traditional council houses, which can then be given to the people who need them. Create the jobs to build them, manage them and maintain them, create something for the community.
Problem is in modern Britain they don't want council estates anymore and this is what makes it more complicated as private company's are building with a minimal percentage going to council/housing associations tenants.

You will notice that the new developments are small developments...Meaning that you don't have to give any houses up for council/housing association tennants.
So would guestimate only 15% of all houses or flats being built will be made available for these...Very worrying
 

surrey jim

Not in Surrey
Aug 2, 2005
18,078
Bevendean
How many roads of old terraced houses are available up north. Seem to recall a programme on Liverpool with roads and roads of empty properties. We need to shift the balance from South East and improve the economy up north
 


Mellor 3 Ward 4

Well-known member
Jul 27, 2004
9,748
saaf of the water
How many roads of old terraced houses are available up north. Seem to recall a programme on Liverpool with roads and roads of empty properties. We need to shift the balance from South East and improve the economy up north


Exactly.

There are 800,000 empty houses in the UK

Problem is, most of them are in places no one currently wants to live.
 

surrey jim

Not in Surrey
Aug 2, 2005
18,078
Bevendean
Exactly.

There are 800,000 empty houses in the UK

Problem is, most of them are in places no one currently wants to live.

Case in point, was in the town of Beamish near Chester Le Street for a wedding last year. Lovely town and locals, however the area has been in decline since the end of mining. Looking on Rightmove today there are around 10 houses for under £100k with a number on sale for as little as £20k. This is in a town which is has very easy commuting to both Newcastle and Sunderland. I would challenge anyone to find a property for the same money in Sussex.
 

Max Paper

Sunshiinnnnneeee
Nov 3, 2009
5,784
Testicles
How about housing for the middle classes or basically anyone who didn't buy one before 2000 while we're at it?

This. Some people work their knackers off but just can't afford even a 5% deposit. Before you say save save save, when you're paying stupid money on rent it's impossible. I've given up at the age of 33.
 


Tom Hark Preston Park

Will Post For Cash
Jul 6, 2003
69,788
Tax buy-to-let landlords up to the eyeballs so they all discard their 'investment portfolios' and free up the housing for those that need it. Obviously.
 

Weststander

Well-known member
NSC Licker Extraordinaire
Aug 25, 2011
63,156
Withdean area
At the local level, everything possible is being done to prevent new housing in Brighton & Hove, by individual councillors. That goes for other local authorities too. Ultimately supply is restricted, giving higher house values to those of us on the property ladder, and increasing the number of homeless. To use the example of Brighton & Hove, by 2010 it was required in law to have produced its City Plan which should've detailed their plans for 18,000 to 20,000 new homes for the 20 years to 2030. Now, almost five years on, petty party politics and nimby vote-chasing at the local ward level, mean that the City Plan still hasn't been completed ready to be approved or not by the Planning Inspectorate. In the meantime the actual numbers of new homes supplied in the City has been at half the levels required by law.

The losers are those at the bottom, not on the ladder or in crowded dwellings where the occupiers can't afford to move. Perhaps nimby councillors can think about the bigger picture next time they oppose all planning proposals in their ward.
 

beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
35,237
very simple answer: build more. relax planning, get rid of pre-loaded levies and taxes on development (apply them afterwards), speed up the planning process. change the rules on socially available from % of the development to % of all develpoments. reduce some of the requrements for spending surrounding a development (it might seem clever, but that cost is going on to the house price). setup something to encourage privately owned blocks/estates for rental, rather than rely on council/housing association.

in short address the supply and you will get more development. simples.
 


seagullsovergrimsby

#cpfctinpotclub
Aug 21, 2005
43,690
Crap Town
One radical solution is to scrap "right to buy" for housing association/social housing tenants. If they want to buy a property they should look elsewhere instead of shrinking the housing stock needed to house the needy.
 

janee

Fur half
Oct 19, 2008
709
Lentil land
Have worked in housing for 20 years. All of our kids now affected unless we have lots of money. We need to make this a massive key issue. The private rented sector is currently seen as the main choice of the future but really it's like going back to 1919 in terms of affordability and conditions and not suitable for families particularly.

We need to subsidies the building of new homes not the paying of rent it's just more cost effective. We need to tax planning gain and incentivize use of urban empty land however small.
 

yxee

Well-known member
Oct 24, 2011
2,521
Manchester
How many roads of old terraced houses are available up north. Seem to recall a programme on Liverpool with roads and roads of empty properties. We need to shift the balance from South East and improve the economy up north

People follow jobs, not the other way around.
 


sir albion

New member
Jan 6, 2007
13,055
SWINDON
This. Some people work their knackers off but just can't afford even a 5% deposit. Before you say save save save, when you're paying stupid money on rent it's impossible. I've given up at the age of 33.
Also the poorer classes work their knackers off for peanuts and even more so now 👍
 

sir albion

New member
Jan 6, 2007
13,055
SWINDON
Have worked in housing for 20 years. All of our kids now affected unless we have lots of money. We need to make this a massive key issue. The private rented sector is currently seen as the main choice of the future but really it's like going back to 1919 in terms of affordability and conditions and not suitable for families particularly.

We need to subsidies the building of new homes not the paying of rent it's just more cost effective. We need to tax planning gain and incentivize use of urban empty land however small.
Do the government actually fund the building of houses anymore or is it mostly private company's now?
 

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