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[Politics] Brexit

If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?

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JC Footy Genius

JC Footy Genius

Bringer of TRUTH
Jun 9, 2015
10,568
Hampster Gull said:
Well The brexiteer line is we don't owe anything, so anything is a failure, anything above £1bn is a disaster for them and unfortunately us
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There is no 'Brexiteer line' different Brexiteers have different views. More importantly, the Government is prepared to consider some payments during a transition period but they do not accept the EU's figures.
 


beorhthelm

beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
35,303
daveinprague said:
Seems the clearest overview

'It says Britain's budget obligations include:

Outstanding commitments to the EU's previous budgets and the current budget, up to the point Britain leaves

Commitments Britain has made covering the period after it leaves in 2019, up to the end of the current 7-year budget period in 2020

Liabilities such as pensions for EU officials

Contingent liabilities to cover things such as the risk of countries ranging from Ukraine to Ireland defaulting on an EU loan

Costs related to the withdrawal process, such as the cost of relocating the two EU agencies currently located in Britain; the European Banking Authority and the European Medicines Agency
- It also wants Britain to pay costs associated with ending its membership of EU institutions and funds, including the European Investment Bank, European Central Bank and European Development Fund.

- Other commitments the EU wants Britain to honour include the funding of British teachers seconded to European schools until 2021, and the cost of obligations undertaken by bodies such as the European Defence Agency, before it leaves the bloc.'
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all this does is higlight the problems of being in the EU: the annual bill for membership is apparently just a fraction of the finance commitment, that the EU is taking billions of cash behind the scenes. why arent EU pensions funded? why are we paying anything into ECB when we arent in the Euro? investment and development funds outside the EU budget? the whole enterprise is corrupt.
 






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daveinprague

New member
Oct 1, 2009
12,572
Prague, Czech Republic
beorhthelm said:
all this does is higlight the problems of being in the EU: the annual bill for membership is apparently just a fraction of the finance commitment, that the EU is taking billions of cash behind the scenes. why arent EU pensions funded? why are we paying anything into ECB when we arent in the Euro? investment and development funds outside the EU budget? the whole enterprise is corrupt.
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Maybe we agreed to it. Who knows. Im not party to the negotiations.
 


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rigton70

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2003
941
daveinprague said:
Seems the clearest overview

'It says Britain's budget obligations include:

Outstanding commitments to the EU's previous budgets and the current budget, up to the point Britain leaves

Commitments Britain has made covering the period after it leaves in 2019, up to the end of the current 7-year budget period in 2020

Liabilities such as pensions for EU officials

Contingent liabilities to cover things such as the risk of countries ranging from Ukraine to Ireland defaulting on an EU loan

Costs related to the withdrawal process, such as the cost of relocating the two EU agencies currently located in Britain; the European Banking Authority and the European Medicines Agency
- It also wants Britain to pay costs associated with ending its membership of EU institutions and funds, including the European Investment Bank, European Central Bank and European Development Fund.

- Other commitments the EU wants Britain to honour include the funding of British teachers seconded to European schools until 2021, and the cost of obligations undertaken by bodies such as the European Defence Agency, before it leaves the bloc.'
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1. How can we owe on previous budgets.

2. So we pay till 2020.

3. Pensions?? surely that ends in 2020 when there budget ends?

4. That EU loan WE would of paid some of that so i assume if they did not default then were owed money? If they did default then we have lost the money already put in.

5. Understandable moving costs money.

6. Do we not already pay in the pot for this so surely it ends in 2020?

7. Fair enough.


Surely that does not add up to 70 billion though.
 


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5ways

Well-known member
Sep 18, 2012
2,217
rigton70 said:
1. How can we owe on previous budgets.

2. So we pay till 2020.

3. Pensions?? surely that ends in 2020 when there budget ends?

4. That EU loan WE would of paid some of that so i assume if they did not default then were owed money? If they did default then we have lost the money already put in.

5. Understandable moving costs money.

6. Do we not already pay in the pot for this so surely it ends in 2020?

7. Fair enough.


Surely that does not add up to 70 billion though.
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The figure is probably negotiable but the point is that any Brexit bill detracts from the claim that £350m a week is going to the NHS. The Brexit that was promised looks impossible.
 




JC Footy Genius

JC Footy Genius

Bringer of TRUTH
Jun 9, 2015
10,568
Labour could keep Britain in single market forever, says Tom Watson

Tom Watson, deputy leader of the Labour Party, has suggested that Britain could retain access to the single market and the customs union even after a transitional period leading to withdrawing from the EU.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/...e-permanent-says-labours-tom-watson-6r0gf07tq

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...y-remain-single-market-customs-union-labours/

https://youtu.be/g4okLzPWPAE

https://youtu.be/21fH-wgsn0o

https://youtu.be/JAct5g6siN4

By Labour's own definitions, they are misleading voters and not respecting the referendum result.
 


The Merry Prankster

The Merry Prankster

Pactum serva
Aug 19, 2006
5,577
Shoreham Beach
JC Footy Genius said:
Labour could keep Britain in single market forever, says Tom Watson

Tom Watson, deputy leader of the Labour Party, has suggested that Britain could retain access to the single market and the customs union even after a transitional period leading to withdrawing from the EU.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/...e-permanent-says-labours-tom-watson-6r0gf07tq

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...y-remain-single-market-customs-union-labours/

https://youtu.be/g4okLzPWPAE

https://youtu.be/21fH-wgsn0o

https://youtu.be/JAct5g6siN4

By Labour's own definitions, they are misleading voters and not respecting the referendum result.
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Whilst not disputing what you say, Tom Watson doesn't really speak for Labour these days.
 
















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Lincoln Imp

Well-known member
Feb 2, 2009
5,964
JC Footy Genius said:
Labour could keep Britain in single market forever, says Tom Watson

Tom Watson, deputy leader of the Labour Party, has suggested that Britain could retain access to the single market and the customs union even after a transitional period leading to withdrawing from the EU.


By Labour's own definitions, they are misleading voters and not respecting the referendum result.
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Yes, they seem to have as many conflicting positions on Europe as the Conservative Party these days. As far as respecting the in/out referendum is concerned any action proposed by the Labour Party, whatever it is, can surely only be taken after due democratic process - it is not as though they are planning a coup d'etat.
 


The Clamp

The Clamp

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jan 11, 2016
24,505
West is BEST
Listened to Farage on R2 this afternoon. Claiming to speak for the people again. What a two faced piece of shit he is. Vine is too soft an interviewer for Farage. When is somebody going to push him on how much money he has made from the EU? Why he still takes their/our money for doing nothing. I had to switch off, odious turd.
 


Herr Tubthumper

Herr Tubthumper

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 11, 2003
59,516
The Fatherland
beorhthelm said:
all this does is higlight the problems of being in the EU: the annual bill for membership is apparently just a fraction of the finance commitment, that the EU is taking billions of cash behind the scenes. why arent EU pensions funded? why are we paying anything into ECB when we arent in the Euro? investment and development funds outside the EU budget? the whole enterprise is corrupt.
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So. You ask a ton of question to which you obviously don't know the answer...and conclude by saying the enterprise is corrupt. Genius.
 




Herr Tubthumper

Herr Tubthumper

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 11, 2003
59,516
The Fatherland
"Speaking to business groups in Washington DC on Friday, Mr Davis said the EU had presented the UK with "a large bill" and the UK had "very good lawyers" who would go through it "line by line".

Are these the same lawyers who advised in the Gina Miller case?
 


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Jim D

Well-known member
Jul 23, 2003
5,249
Worthing
Herr Tubthumper said:
"Speaking to business groups in Washington DC on Friday, Mr Davis said the EU had presented the UK with "a large bill" and the UK had "very good lawyers" who would go through it "line by line".

Are these the same lawyers who advised in the Gina Miller case?
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Has she presented the Govt with a €100bn bill for her legal fees?
 


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