[News] unregistered schools

dejavuatbtn · Mar 1, 2018

I don’t profess to know much about religions other than CofE - I had the usual round of Sunday schools, church choir, and school assemblies. I have never practised it as an adult. The one thing I would say is that it instilled some values and codes to live by that have stayed all my life. Right from wrong, good from bad etc. I think these values were positive. (Albeit that some of the dodgy preachers of it are crawling out of the woodwork.)
The thing that worries me is the instilling of values that aren’t positive, and uncontrolled,religious, educational establishments would be a source for this. The same should apply to religious establishments but during my lifetime there has been an increase in the diversity of religions in this country, each with their own values, and increasingly more at odds with others.
I come to the conclusion that all educational establishments should cut out religion and focus on what is and isn’t acceptable in our society. Religion - it’s all become a bit scary for one reason or another.

Gilliver's Travels · Mar 1, 2018

Giraffe said:
Agreed I’d close all Muslim schools.

Sure, but not in isolation. All education needs to be secular, with developing young minds exposed to the principles of critical thinking and rational argument, rather than the brainwashing ideologies of ancient, desert religions and their ridiculous, man-made gods.

Gilliver's Travels · Mar 1, 2018

Harry Wilson's tackle said:
If you are referring to the support for 'faith schools', it was Blaire, and the reason why left the labour party.

As it happens I agree with [MENTION=17374]Bulldog[/MENTION]. Schools should be absolutly secular. And I speak as one who went to a C of E primary school, church every other Wednesday, and a secondary school that held Christian prayer each morning, and where I learned much of what eventually became part of my moral outlook.

For me all schools (including private, whether Eton or a back street madrasa) should be compelled to teach the national curriculum and forbidden from 'teaching' religion or engaging in religious worship. Morality and eithics can be part of the curriculum, and even study of comparative religion, if undertaken appropriately.

But allowing 'schools' to teach doctrine as truth, regardless of whether or not they bother teaching anything else that is actually worthwhile on the national curriculum, should not be legal. Indoctrination coupled with denial of proper education equals child abuse.

Perfectly put.

Pretty pink fairy · Mar 1, 2018

aolstudios said:
How am I brushing it under the carpet, you Muppet? I said I'd close them all down.
I just don't trust your motives. Ever

as if i'm worried about you trusting me :facepalm:

regards
DR

Herr Tubthumper · Mar 1, 2018

BigGully said:
We went to the same school, but I was the sporty popular one, you were the snide school punch bag, how Tideway ever produced such a pompous, self serving wimp god only knows

I did my Os at Tideway. But I went to Lewes for my As. Guess you were an early leaver? :lolol:

BigGully · Mar 1, 2018

Herr Tubthumper said:
I did my Os at Tideway. But I went to Lewes for my As. Guess you were an early leaver?

To be unpopular at more than one school must of been tough ....................

brightn'ove · Mar 1, 2018

All schools should be secular & replace R.E. with philosophy.

Thunder Bolt · Mar 1, 2018

Wrong-Direction said:
How about make it a criminal offence?

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Put Christians in prison and the church grows faster than ever.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wo...r-12-years-amid-Chinese-church-crackdown.html

Murray 17 · Mar 1, 2018

Harry Wilson's tackle said:
But allowing 'schools' to teach doctrine as truth, regardless of whether or not they bother teaching anything else that is actually worthwhile on the national curriculum, should not be legal.

Schools aren't allowed to teach it as truth, they're meant to teach it as 'some people believe ... others believe... but you must make up your own mind.'

BigGully · Mar 1, 2018

Murray 17 said:
Schools aren't allowed to teach it as truth, they're meant to teach it as 'some people believe ... others believe... but you must make up your own mind.'

Surely you wouldn't expect a teacher to say 'some people believe 2+2 =5' and 'others believe 2+2=6' and then add 'you must make up your own mind' just tell them 2+2=4 FFS.

Murray 17 · Mar 1, 2018

BigGully said:
Surely you wouldn't expect a teacher to say some people believe 2+2 =5 and others believe 2+2=6 and then add you must make up your own mind, tell them 2+2=4 FFS.

What's maths got to do with it?

Isn't this a thread on the teaching of religion?

Questions · Mar 1, 2018

I went to 2 Catholic schools and now suffer from Pedagophobia, Didaskaleinophobia and especially Sphenisciphobia.

marlowe · Mar 1, 2018

Thunder Bolt said:
Put Christians in prison and the church grows faster than ever.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wo...r-12-years-amid-Chinese-church-crackdown.html

And Christianity might not have taken off to the extent that it did had they not crucified Jesus. That backfired a little.

Pretty pink fairy · Mar 1, 2018

this might be of some use www.dailyedge.ie/confession-box-donedeal-1922202-Feb2015/
regards
DR

SAC · Mar 1, 2018

Murray 17 said:
What's maths got to do with it?

Isn't this a thread on the teaching of religion?

I thought it was about unregistered schools, not all are religious.

LlcoolJ · Mar 1, 2018

Any system that allows Toby Young to open a school is clearly not fit for purpose.

hart's shirt · Mar 1, 2018

Questions said:
I went to 2 Catholic schools and now suffer from Pedagophobia, Didaskaleinophobia and especially Sphenisciphobia.

On the plus side, they gave you the chance to excel at Scrabble.

DavidinSouthampton · Mar 1, 2018

BigGully said:
Surely you wouldn't expect a teacher to say 'some people believe 2+2 =5' and 'others believe 2+2=6' and then add 'you must make up your own mind' just tell them 2+2=4 FFS.

Have you always been a p1llock or has it taken years of practice?

DavidinSouthampton · Mar 1, 2018

Harry Wilson's tackle said:
If you are referring to the support for 'faith schools', it was Blaire, and the reason why left the labour party.

As it happens I agree with [MENTION=17374]Bulldog[/MENTION]. Schools should be absolutly secular. And I speak as one who went to a C of E primary school, church every other Wednesday, and a secondary school that held Christian prayer each morning, and where I learned much of what eventually became part of my moral outlook.

For me all schools (including private, whether Eton or a back street madrasa) should be compelled to teach the national curriculum and forbidden from 'teaching' religion or engaging in religious worship. Morality and eithics can be part of the curriculum, and even study of comparative religion, if undertaken appropriately.

But allowing 'schools' to teach doctrine as truth, regardless of whether or not they bother teaching anything else that is actually worthwhile on the national curriculum, should not be legal. Indoctrination coupled with denial of proper education equals child abuse.

When I mentioned the government that allowed this to happen was stupid, I had in mind the proliferation of non-registered schools - not faith Schools - and I was probably wrong in blaming Cameron. I don't know if it is just something which has been allowed to happen.

Although I have a faith, I do not hold a torch for Faith Schools - far from it. But having said that, I think it is a known phenomenom that many people of other faiths send their Children to Christian Schools because of their quality and ethos. There is a Catholic Girls' School (State) in Southampton which numbers Muslims and Hindus among its pupils.

And they can not teach straight religion. if they at state-funded, they have to follow the national curriculum, which specifies comparative religion, I believe - in other words, covering all the major religions......... and any sensible Christian/Muslim/Hindu or whatever would welcome that. The state system. technically at least, does not permit indoctrination.

Harry Wilson's tackle · Mar 1, 2018

Murray 17 said:
Schools aren't allowed to teach it as truth, they're meant to teach it as 'some people believe ... others believe... but you must make up your own mind.'

But unregistered and religious schools very certainly teach their doctrine as truth. That is the whole poot of this thread. It is wrong.

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