Danny Graham

Guy Fawkes · Oct 27, 2014

Postman Pat said:
Hasn't had a great record in the last few seasons:

2011–2013 Swansea City 54 (15)
2013– Sunderland 13 (0)
2013–2014 → Hull City (loan) 18 (1)
2014 → Middlesbrough (loan) 18 (6)

El Turi said:
Brentford are signing Danny Graham on loan. Surely he is exactly the kind of player we should be looking at?

El Turi said:
He's not up to the Premier League but 1 in 3 at Boro last season is a better ratio than any of our strikers.

Even if we went in for him, he'd probably choose Brentford like Odubajo did.

So we are talking about a striker with a 1 in 3 strike rate at Boro last season in the Championship because we are unhappy we have a player with a strike rate of 1 in 3 last season (but it was at Struggling Barnsley in Chris O'grady (15 goals in 43 games) which is surely a more impressive feat)

If we were to sign Graham, how long before he would be deemed League 1 standard, not up to it, etc......

Hamilton · Oct 27, 2014

Guy Fawkes said:
So we are talking about a striker with a 1 in 3 strike rate at Boro last season in the Championship because we are unhappy we have a player with a strike rate of 1 in 3 last season (but it was at Struggling Barnsley in Chris O'grady (15 goals in 43 games) which is surely a more impressive feat)

If we were to sign Graham, how long before he would be deemed League 1 standard, not up to it, etc......

Not unless O'Grady should have been a 2 in 5 striker, but failed to finish the chances put in front of him. Barnsley went down for a reason last season. Perhaps O'Grady played a part in that?

Tony Meolas Loan Spell · Oct 27, 2014

Ernest said:
I've never understood why we don't go for more obvious loanees such as Holt, Graham, Becchio etc and instead keep going for foreigners like Colonga this time, Rodriguez last season.

This especially as they are SHORT TERM loans so there is no risk if they turn out to be shit.

But then Burke knows best OBVIOUSLY.

One Teddy Maybank · Oct 27, 2014

Another one missed.....

Could it be salary demands?

No interest on our part?

Whatever happens IMO Graham would have been ideal.

portslade seagull · Oct 27, 2014

Costs too much money and Brentford have so much more

Guy Fawkes · Oct 28, 2014

Hamilton said:
Not unless O'Grady should have been a 2 in 5 striker, but failed to finish the chances put in front of him. Barnsley went down for a reason last season. Perhaps O'Grady played a part in that?

And maybe Boro really should have gone up last season and Graham played his part in that by failing to put his chances away. Boro stayed down for a reason, etc....

Easy to speculate and apportion blame isn't it, even if it isn't neccessarily justified.

In all honesty, how many chances has O'grady missed (how many of those were saved, how many were wide and how many were blocked?) i'd hazard a guess that he has had less opportunities than some of our more wilder, shoot from anywhere even if it's a 1000/1 shot of being a goal rather than trying to play our forwards in in good positions midfielders.

I'd be more worried if he was getting a lot of chances and missing them rather than getting nothing to work with.

Re: Paddy's cross which no-one got on the end of against Rotherham, is this just a result of little time together on the practice pitch and in matches and therefore a lack of understanding between the players involved. The cross could have been pulled back for an easy chance of a tap in if the forwards dropped back a bit as Paddy got into position, or they go for a cross if they could guess when he was about to cross it but it looked like they arn't on the same wavelength yet. (hopefully it comes with more playing time) Had they charged in and Paddy pulled the ball back, i'm sure the criticism would have been just as loud against easy boo boy targets.

Are there stats that show who is shooting, (for all our players, not just the forwards) from where on the pitch and how successful they were (ie on target, wide, blocked...)

JBizzle · Oct 28, 2014

El Turi said:
He's not up to the Premier League but 1 in 3 at Boro last season is a better ratio than any of our strikers.QUOTE]

Except for Chris O'Grady who scored 15 in 40... And Sam Baldock who got 25 in 51 (although at a lower level)

Bold Seagull · Oct 28, 2014

We could chuck Diego Costa at Sami Hyypia and we'd still struggle to score up front with the way our team is set up...

Hamilton · Oct 28, 2014

Guy Fawkes said:
And maybe Boro really should have gone up last season and Graham played his part in that by failing to put his chances away. Boro stayed down for a reason, etc....

Easy to speculate and apportion blame isn't it, even if it isn't neccessarily justified.

In all honesty, how many chances has O'grady missed (how many of those were saved, how many were wide and how many were blocked?) i'd hazard a guess that he has had less opportunities than some of our more wilder, shoot from anywhere even if it's a 1000/1 shot of being a goal rather than trying to play our forwards in in good positions midfielders.

I'd be more worried if he was getting a lot of chances and missing them rather than getting nothing to work with.

Re: Paddy's cross which no-one got on the end of against Rotherham, is this just a result of little time together on the practice pitch and in matches and therefore a lack of understanding between the players involved. The cross could have been pulled back for an easy chance of a tap in if the forwards dropped back a bit as Paddy got into position, or they go for a cross if they could guess when he was about to cross it but it looked like they arn't on the same wavelength yet. (hopefully it comes with more playing time) Had they charged in and Paddy pulled the ball back, i'm sure the criticism would have been just as loud against easy boo boy targets.

Are there stats that show who is shooting, (for all our players, not just the forwards) from where on the pitch and how successful they were (ie on target, wide, blocked...)

Couldn't agree more. Danny Graham wouldn't excite me.

To your point, I agree that we need to change the way we are set up. Our strikers play too far apart and seem to be expected to hold the ball up whilst the rest of the team catches up. By this time, any opposition has ten men behind the ball.

All the running at the defence seems to be down to one man - Kaz - and after ten minutes on the pitch the opposition will, if not have control of him, then at least the measure of him.

Unless we are going to play Dunk up front (which wouldn't surprise me given that he's our goal threat), then let's stop hoofing the ball into the 6 yard area from the edges of the box and start playing some through balls.

perseus · Oct 28, 2014

El Turi said:
Brentford are signing Danny Graham on loan. Surely he is exactly the kind of player we should be looking at?

Prima donna

One Teddy Maybank · Oct 29, 2014

Apparently the deal to Brentford has fallen through. Source - Twitter - Football League transfers

AZ Gull · Oct 31, 2014

You tease, Bozza:-

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DarrenFreemansPerm · Oct 31, 2014

Well, this would be a turn up for the books.

London Irish · Oct 31, 2014

We can't quibble about getting Graham in given our current strikeforce

forumwayseagull · Oct 31, 2014

Signing Graham and Bennett would certainly refresh our attacking options...

Grombleton · Oct 31, 2014

One Teddy Maybank said:
Apparently the deal to Brentford has fallen through. Source - Twitter - Football League transfers

BensGrandad, is that you?

GT49er · Oct 31, 2014

forumwayseagull said:
Signing Graham and Bennett would certainly refresh our attacking options...

....or they could fill those gaping holes where full backs ought to be.

LamieRobertson · Oct 31, 2014

GT49er said:
....or they could fill those gaping holes where full backs ought to be.

if we were scoring goals i doubt people would worry so much about the full backs

The Campanologist · Oct 31, 2014

shoreham seagull 1973 said:
Probably better than Voakes and Barn door Billly from Poyets reign - so yep,another one bites the dust.

That would be the Vokes (not Voakes) that scored 16 goals last season in a team that went up?

Compared to a player who has scored 7 in his last 49 (yes I know a lot of them may have been sub appearances!!) games?

Yeah definitely better.

I'll give you Paynter. Although who wouldn't really?

Dan Aitch · Nov 1, 2014

Yeah, let's whinge about the prospect of proven goal scorers maybe joining us. Anyone would think O'Grady and Baldock hadn't worked out... oh, hang on.

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