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The Jeremy Corbyn thread
- Thread starter Simster
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Shredding? Do you have any evidence to back up your myopic view?
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 35,310
the Tory split is well known as it has been for a couple of decades. they have made their peace with it, in as far as they would rather hold their nose and hold power, than surrender to the opposition on this issue. it would take an extraordinary set of circumstances for them to abandon May and abandon government before 2020. and on the current time table Brexit has concluded by then, so where does Corbyn get to save the nation, while appeasing his new found problem child of left-wing anti-EU voters? the Labour split on Europe is more raw and challenges ideologies of party, maybe you cant see them from the inside, or just in denial.
The referendum has resolved that, apart from Ken Clarke and a very few Remoanians.
London Irish
Well-known member
If Labour were split on Europe I would say so - for all my faults I'm a plain speaker (we are split on Trident but Corbyn is going to swallow that). In fact Europe is one of the things that unites Labour on principle, which is maximum access to single market AND preparedness to take consequences of that in greater free movement.
Now the Tories on the other hand are split down the middle between the Pollyannas who think there will be no economic damage from hard Brexit (looks like that's your view tho you won't state plainly) and the realists who know it is going to throw us back into recession again. The unraveling of this alliance of convenience as companies now make their investment decisions against the UK will define British politics over the next two years
Papa Lazarou
Living in a De Zerbi wonderland
And you are expecting this to save labour?
... who waved it through, stood aside and watched?
And then again, just maybe it won't be as dismal as you seem to hope?
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
Blimey. You must shit Tory to believe that.
I don't know what that means.
Awww go and jerk off the next toff you see, you'll enjoy that
Ok will do[emoji23]
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
- 35,310
as much as you'd like to drag this into personal insults, its not really about me. its about Corbyn and how he is supposed to be the practical alternative to Brexit. claiming that Europe unites Labour is comical a week after scores of the PLP voted against the party line, and front bench resignations.
Tory lite? Eyes down for a Momentum buzz phrase full house.
That would be the same Labour government that invested in public services, implemented Sure Start, brought in a minimum wage, massive decreased homelessness and heroically reduced child poverty.
In the meantime our hero Jeremy was making the tea for Tony Benn, apologising to Gerry Adams and attending Hugo Chavez fan club meetings.
WonderingSoton
New member
- Dec 3, 2014
- 287
What good is this hypothetical principle, when in reality the inter-Labour nashing from the recent votes in the HoC makes them look anything but united over Europe to the public.
cheshunt seagull
Well-known member
- Jul 5, 2003
- 2,498
Maybe building a broader-based coalition to fight May? This would of course involve some compromise which many on the left will present as weakness. However if you really wish to see an end to austerity and not see us sleepwalking into hard Brexit you would look for the option most likely to bring some results not the one which allows you to feel most pleased with yourself.
The Conservatives have done their usual Party piece of pulling together at the right moment and looking united. In defence of Corbyn there was no easy way to lead Labour in the last few weeks with the A50 vote but suddenly taking an interest in party discipline after 35 years wasn't the way forward.
The next fault line in British politics is the axis between business wanting immigration and immigration control. That might be a little trickier for the Conservatives to swallow.
The next fault line in British politics is the axis between business wanting immigration and immigration control. That might be a little trickier for the Conservatives to swallow.
Apparently this is really happening...
https://order-order.com/2017/02/14/...ane-abbott-want-take-back-control-ukip-areas/
"John McDonnell and Diane Abbott are to head to Sunderland and Barnsley as part of a new series of Labour events aiming to “Take Back Control” of “UKIP areas”. Momentum’s “The World Transformed” hipster Corbynistas will be travelling up to Sunderland in April to dispel the idea, in their words, that “every remain voter is part of a croissant munching metropolitan elite”. Subsequent events will be held in Barnsley, Bradford and Dagenham."
https://order-order.com/2017/02/14/...ane-abbott-want-take-back-control-ukip-areas/
"John McDonnell and Diane Abbott are to head to Sunderland and Barnsley as part of a new series of Labour events aiming to “Take Back Control” of “UKIP areas”. Momentum’s “The World Transformed” hipster Corbynistas will be travelling up to Sunderland in April to dispel the idea, in their words, that “every remain voter is part of a croissant munching metropolitan elite”. Subsequent events will be held in Barnsley, Bradford and Dagenham."
I am surprised Diane Abbott is aware of anything north of Tottenham.
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More BREXIT chaos, gloom and doom.... oh wait..
http://linkis.com/UYxNV
"Investors, who only a short time ago saw Brexit as the beginning of a chaotic continuum which will result in populist uprisings across the West, are now reconsidering their view.
Take the last week, for example. Sterling, which was so volatile for most of 2016, has partially recovered and been pretty steady at $1.25 since the end of January. The FTSE 100 continues to hover at near-record levels.
Markets are reflecting what is happening on the ground. Judging by data from the Office for National Statistics, there are signs that the long-awaited rebalancing of the economy is underway. Manufacturing production rose by 4 per cent on an annual basis in December, a near six-year high."
http://linkis.com/UYxNV
"Investors, who only a short time ago saw Brexit as the beginning of a chaotic continuum which will result in populist uprisings across the West, are now reconsidering their view.
Take the last week, for example. Sterling, which was so volatile for most of 2016, has partially recovered and been pretty steady at $1.25 since the end of January. The FTSE 100 continues to hover at near-record levels.
Markets are reflecting what is happening on the ground. Judging by data from the Office for National Statistics, there are signs that the long-awaited rebalancing of the economy is underway. Manufacturing production rose by 4 per cent on an annual basis in December, a near six-year high."
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
I wouldn't vote for Corbyn in any further leadership election, there needs to be a leader who has authority and can actually lead. The experiment has failed at great costs to people's lives