He may be (but he hasn't yet been tested under the pressure that these negotiations will bring) but I doubt that his subordinates are. They don't have the will to see this through.
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He may be (but he hasn't yet been tested under the pressure that these negotiations will bring) but I doubt that his subordinates are. They don't have the will to see this through.
He's also historically been a Brexiter while May has been a Remainer. But to get back to the negotiators, Starmer's a lawyer and he'll follow a brief. He's a Remainer himself but I'm sure in his long legal career he's had to argue a case that he doesn't personally believe.
I think it would be electoral suicide for Labour to try to back Remain if they won the election - we're coming out whoever wins, but the terms will be very different
Not widely known but the Tories don't have an unblemished history when it comes to elected members who support the IRA
https://tompride.wordpress.com/2017/05/21/former-active-ira-member-serving-as-tory-party-councillor/
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Evidence? What do you think they are going to do, just not turn up for the negotiations and say they can't be arsed?
HH Brighton
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- Jul 25, 2003
- 1,508
The IRA card is wearing a bit thin now. I personally am not very keen on Diane Abbot but she has been a good MP for a number of years. Wouldn't like to see her serve in government again but I can say exactly the same for Liz Truss, Jeremy Hunt, Boris Johnson and Chris Grayling. All of these define the term 'out of their depth'. I'm sure the Tories will have to rely on the negative campaigning as you suggest as there a lot of proof this works. Lynton Crosby will be sure to get this campaign back to the 'lowest common denominator' and wheel out the 'strong and stable' line over and over, he's a master at this and has not been involved with many defeats.I think a lot of people are seeing through this now but whether enough do will remain to be seen.
nicko31
Well-known member
I must admit until recently given a French situation of May v JC runoff, whilst I can't stand the Tories, I'd have gone for May all the way.
But starting to feel as though May's strength is wafer thin and she is so easily influenced, never had a PM like it. A liability..
https://www.ft.com/content/e021c208-3ede-11e7-9d56-25f963e998b2
If I were a Brexiteer I'd be starting to get worried
glasfryn
cleaning up cat sick
this is why the labour are doing well because of this lie and the language used to trail it around and those little old blue rinse ladies do not like it
keep calling people s**t for long enough you might believe it but most reasonable people will just walk away
keep looking over your shoulder
The Tories have appointed a team of brexiters who will be fully focused on the difficult task of getting out of the EU. The Labour team are all remainers and they are quite likely to buckle when it comes to the hard bits. Also, Starmer gives me no confidence at all that he wants to negotiate a brexit that will be good for Britain. In fact I get the impression that he would like to punish us for the result.
So you're saying Labour will deliberately negotiate a poor deal for their own country, on the basis of ..no evidence.
It's a little hard to take you seriously.
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
Apart from seeing the Tories routed in Canada and totally misjudging the public mood in the London mayoral election recently
HH Brighton
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- Jul 25, 2003
- 1,508
This is what they have to do now. Theresa May called this election in order to gain a bigger majority but if (and its a big if) the polls are to be believed her majority could be cut. They have obviously benefited from the collapse in UKIP and some Lib Dems but perhaps this will not be enough.
bWize
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- Nov 6, 2007
- 1,677
Indeed... It's ultimately Farron & Johnson who are using the recent attack to try gain a political advantage. Both desperate to score a point in whatever way possible. They have very little else to say or offer, so go for negative sensationalism.
Disgusting!
midnight_rendezvous
Well-known member
Of course they are. When Theresa May called the election Tories had a 24 point lead. Today it's just 5 points. Get ready for the vileness to come. All they've got left is attempted JC character assassinations.
Pavilionaire
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- Jul 7, 2003
- 30,564
I think they thought that with such a huge lead, they didn't have to do much. They took the electorate for fools, and it looks like they might pay the price.
Pavilionaire
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- Jul 7, 2003
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I heard Corbyn today give a speech about security and I thought he spoke well, very well in fact.
On the other side, with Theresa May, I find myself waiting for the next "Strong and Stable" or "Coalition of Chaos" to drip from her witchlike mouth. She's nothing more than a political drinking game on legs.
On the other side, with Theresa May, I find myself waiting for the next "Strong and Stable" or "Coalition of Chaos" to drip from her witchlike mouth. She's nothing more than a political drinking game on legs.
TomandJerry
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- Oct 1, 2013
- 11,448
I am torn between Labour/Tory's.
I want us to leave the EU/single market/have some control over immigration.
But at the same time JC comes across as a better speaker/more believable and anti-establishment, with not a lot of policies in his manifesto I'd disagree with.
I want us to leave the EU/single market/have some control over immigration.
But at the same time JC comes across as a better speaker/more believable and anti-establishment, with not a lot of policies in his manifesto I'd disagree with.
That made me laugh out loud. Best description of her ever
seagulls4ever
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- Oct 2, 2003
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Any chance of the media representing that position of the majority of Brits?
Any chance of the media representing that position of the majority of Brits?