[Politics] Brexit

ManOfSussex · Sep 12, 2018

Ernest said:
That ERG meeting is like some sort of Hammer Horror film, full of weirdos and freaks

You're being far too polite about them.

ManOfSussex · Sep 12, 2018

Simster said:
In all honesty, that's exactly what I'm seeing but maybe I'm wrong. I can understand that some of the points addressed don't really need a border (trade might just need regular checks to ensure no wrong doing) but the point is that their paper clearly fails to address the issue that will surely bother most Brexit voters - the fact that immigrants will simply be able to cross that border freely.

They also contradict themselves by basically saying this will be done by UK/EU regulations being the same after Brexit when all the exciting new trade deals we'll be doing with Comoros and Eritrea etc would mean divergence.

Herr Tubthumper · Sep 12, 2018

CHAPPERS said:
Especially not considering they also propose doing away with non tariff barriers on imports.

Total pie in the ****ing sky. What a surprise!

Therasa May must be chuckling and rubbing her hands. This must strengthen her Chequers plan?

CHAPPERS · Sep 12, 2018

I see Gove is currently performing an about turn on the ban of live animal exports after Brexit.

Liars, the ****ing lot of them. Brexit built on lies and all down to the Tories.

pb21 · Sep 12, 2018

Herr Tubthumper said:
And also allow businesses to freely move goods into and out of the EU without any interference, scrutiny and taxes. I can’t see the EU allowing this. We must be missing something?

Also, if I am reading this right, the UK will remain aligned with EU agricultural policy post Brexit:

For agricultural products, the Government should agree equivalence of UK and EU regulations and conformity assessment. Since UK and EU standards are identical and will remain identical at the point of departure, determining equivalence after Brexit should be straightforward. The current smooth movement of agricultural products across the Irish border, without the need for border inspection posts, can be continued by maintaining the island of Ireland as a Common Biosecurity Zone.

Given how vociferous Mogg was pre Brexit to remove EU agricultural regulation so that his North East Somerset constituents can release the shackles holding them back and farm with harmful chemicals, currently banned by the EU, I am unsure how this can be?

Surely Mogg ins't advocating to maintain the alignment of UK agricultural policy with the EU post Brexit?

Edit@: just read [MENTION=34106]ManOfSussex[/MENTION] post above, and yes surely this would mean that all UK/EU regulations have to be aligned post brexit?

Further edit: How would NI lose out over EU subsidised farming in SI when the products can move freely?

The Clamp · Sep 12, 2018

pb21 said:
Also, if I am reading this right, the UK will remain aligned with EU agricultural policy post Brexit:

Given how vociferous Mogg was pre Brexit to remove EU agricultural regulation so that his North East Somerset constituents can release the shackles holding them back and farm with harmful chemicals, currently banned by the EU, I am unsure how this can be?

Surely Mogg ins't advocating to maintain the alignment of UK agricultural policy with the EU post Brexit?

Edit@: just read [MENTION=34106]ManOfSussex[/MENTION] post above, and yes surely this would mean that all UK/EU regulations have to be aligned post brexit?

Further edit: How would NI lose out over EU subsidised farming in SI when the products can move freely?

Darth Mogg's entire agenda is to shed regulations in order for him and his chums to make money by peddling inferior produce. It's insidious.

Westdene Seagull · Sep 12, 2018

Herr Tubthumper said:
“Public opinion polls across Europe show people more in favour of the EU than they have been in recent years ”

If you're going to quote it might be more honest to use the whole quote - although I know it doesn't support your pro-EU view quite as well.

"Public opinion polls across Europe show people more in favour of the EU than they have been in recent years but - and this is a hugely important but - they're also more sympathetic towards populist parties, which are often nationalist and Eurosceptic in nature."

Westdene Seagull · Sep 12, 2018

Herr Tubthumper said:
Their paper seems to suggest simply carrying on as now, and trust everyone and everything which goes across the border. Am I missing something?

Simster said:
In all honesty, that's exactly what I'm seeing but maybe I'm wrong. I can understand that some of the points addressed don't really need a border (trade might just need regular checks to ensure no wrong doing) but the point is that their paper clearly fails to address the issue that will surely bother most Brexit voters - the fact that immigrants will simply be able to cross that border freely.

You mean exactly as [MENTION=240]larus[/MENTION] has been promoting ? Really ? So the only organisation that might put up a hard border is ...... the EU ?

Herr Tubthumper · Sep 12, 2018

Westdene Seagull said:
If you're going to quote it might be more honest to use the whole quote - although I know it doesn't support you're pro-EU view quite as well.

"Public opinion polls across Europe show people more in favour of the EU than they have been in recent years but - and this is a hugely important but - they're also more sympathetic towards populist parties, which are often nationalist and Eurosceptic in nature."

But that last bit doesn’t alter the fact more people like the EU than they used to does it? No it doesn’t.

As aside, if I recall you’re a big animal welfare champion? How do you feel about today’s news and Gove’s u-turn.

Thunder Bolt · Sep 12, 2018

As a Remainer, I condemn this completely. It is never ok to target an MP's children.

https://order-order.com/2018/09/12/...-nanny-ambushed-leftist-protest-outside-home/

Herr Tubthumper · Sep 12, 2018

Westdene Seagull said:
You mean exactly as [MENTION=240]larus[/MENTION] has been promoting ? Really ? So the only organisation that might put up a hard border is ...... the EU ?

Its not our problem to solve though. But sadly, if you guys cannot come up with a solution we might have to.

The Clamp · Sep 12, 2018

Herr Tubthumper said:
Its not our problem to solve though. But sadly, if you guys cannot come up with a solution we might have to.

Like we always have to.

Gwylan · Sep 12, 2018

Thunder Bolt said:
As a Remainer, I condemn this completely. It is never ok to target an MP's children.

https://order-order.com/2018/09/12/...-nanny-ambushed-leftist-protest-outside-home/

That's Ian Bone leading it. He's always been a dickhead of the first order

Westdene Seagull · Sep 12, 2018

Herr Tubthumper said:
But that last bit doesn’t alter the fact more people like the EU than they used to does it? No it doesn’t.

As aside, if I recall you’re a big animal welfare champion? How do you feel about today’s news and Gove’s u-turn.

On the assumption that Chapper's post is correct then I find it disgusting. Live exports should be banned world wide. Strangely the EU hasn't banned them either. But then we're talking about an organisation too scared of Parmesan producers to ban the vile treatment of the cows used in the production. Or Fois Gras production because it would upset the French. Or that refused to ban fish discards until predominant British chefs put pressure on them. The EU are about as animal friendly as Saddam Hussein was to the Kurds.

Thunder Bolt · Sep 12, 2018

Westdene Seagull said:
You mean exactly as [MENTION=240]larus[/MENTION] has been promoting ? Really ? So the only organisation that might put up a hard border is ...... the EU ?

If the UK defaults to WTO rules (using copied-and-pasted versions of the EU’s tariffs in the short term), the EU would still have to maintain its side of the border. That would require check goods coming into Ireland from the UK.

That’s because the EU’s existence as a free trade area depends on its ability to demonstrate to the WTO that it can control its external borders properly.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factc...the-options-for-the-irish-border-after-brexit

Westdene Seagull · Sep 12, 2018

Herr Tubthumper said:
Its not our problem to solve though. But sadly, if you guys cannot come up with a solution we might have to.

It's a shared border. The UK may decide not to police it - that's OUR choice. If the EU don't like it then that's their problem.

Simster · Sep 12, 2018

Westdene Seagull said:
You mean exactly as [MENTION=240]larus[/MENTION] has been promoting ? Really ? So the only organisation that might put up a hard border is ...... the EU ?

I don't really care who promoted it on here, I simply don't understand how it can work when it doesn't address the whole border picture.

The EU are not going to bother putting up a hard border unless it was in their own interests to do so.

Thunder Bolt · Sep 12, 2018

Westdene Seagull said:
On the assumption that Chapper's post is correct then I find it disgusting. Live exports should be banned world wide. Strangely the EU hasn't banned them either. But then we're talking about an organisation too scared of Parmesan producers to ban the vile treatment of the cows used in the production. Or Fois Gras production because it would upset the French. Or that refused to ban fish discards until predominant British chefs put pressure on them. The EU are about as animal friendly as Saddam Hussein was to the Kurds.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/tory-michael-gove-looks-like-13231152

Herr Tubthumper · Sep 12, 2018

Westdene Seagull said:
On the assumption that Chapper's post is correct then I find it disgusting. Live exports should be banned world wide. Strangely the EU hasn't banned them either. But then we're talking about an organisation too scared of Parmesan producers to ban the vile treatment of the cows used in the production. Or Fois Gras production because it would upset the French. Or that refused to ban fish discards until predominant British chefs put pressure on them. The EU are about as animal friendly as Saddam Hussein was to the Kurds.

Bet you feel a bit let down by Gove eh?

Pavilionaire · Sep 12, 2018

Westdene Seagull said:
It's a shared border. The UK may decide not to police it - that's OUR choice.

How does that stack up with "taking back control of our borders"?

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