Would you vote for bombing ISIS in Syria?

symyjym · Dec 3, 2015

JC Footy Genius said:
I can't give an easy yes no response as I do not remember the exact circumstances other than chemical weapons being used on civilians. Would you?

The first thing is whether you always believe what you hear is the gospel truth. We were being sold a reason to bomb Assad under false pretences.

UN accuses Syrian rebels of chemical weapons use

Assad did not order Syria chemical weapons attack, says German press

I took it with a pinch of salt because the West is into demosing Assad at every opportunity.

Herr Tubthumper · Dec 3, 2015

El Presidente said:
NEVER. We are bombing them so everyone is safe.

Phew.

midnight_rendezvous · Dec 3, 2015

JC Footy Genius said:
As you didn't seem to understand how opinion polls work I provided a helpful easy to understand link. Your welcome.

You realise opinion polls have fundamental flaws right?

JC Footy Genius · Dec 3, 2015

symyjym said:
The first thing is whether you always believe what you hear is the gospel truth. We were being sold a reason to bomb Assad under false pretences.

UN accuses Syrian rebels of chemical weapons use

Assad did not order Syria chemical weapons attack, says German press

I took it with a pinch of salt because the West is into demosing Assad at every opportunity.

I often find it is helpful to look for credible sources that undermine or argue against my point of view before coming to a settled view on a topic.

JC Footy Genius · Dec 3, 2015

midnight_rendezvous said:
You realise opinion polls have fundamental flaws right?

No I had no idea please tell me what the fundamental flaws are in that YouGov poll and what you base your opinion that a clear majority are against air strikes is based on.

LlcoolJ · Dec 3, 2015

Blue Valkyrie said:
I agree there is no endgame, or exit strategy, and we should have avoided this, but this Government isn't one for spending money - so will have subtly cut back on the airstrikes in Iraq to save costs on fuel and bombs, and will also be cutting back on training flights, and using the Syrian bomb runs for that.

Agree apart from the "this government not being one for spending money" bit.

They say that but the numbers show it for the blatant lie that it is.

Ideology, not financial sense.

El Presidente · Dec 4, 2015

JC Footy Genius said:
I often find it is helpful to look for credible sources that undermine or argue against my point of view before coming to a settled view on a topic.

I had a word with his mum, and she said he's not a totalitarian dictator who is responsible for the genocide of his own citizens, he's just a very naughty boy. ((c) Life of Brian).

El Presidente · Dec 4, 2015

JC Footy Genius said:
Just click on the numbers in the poll section to find out who voted what. Are those with the 'wrong' opinion going to be deselected from the site

No, but we are working feverishly at Mod Towers to arrange for the words "Terrorist Sympathiser" to appear alongside the avatar of those who voted 'No'.

Mr Bridger · Dec 4, 2015

El Presidente said:
No, but we are working feverishly at Mod Towers to arrange for the words "Terrorist Sympathiser" to appear alongside the avatar of those who voted 'No'.

That's a great idea!

pastafarian · Dec 4, 2015

symyjym said:
Would you have voted to bomb Assad two years ago?

The vote to bomb Assad two years ago was very simply about stopping his ability to use chemical weapons,it was not about regime change or taking sides,the motion proposed in front of the house was very explicit on this.

Me personally Yes bomb the **** for being an evil **** but No because the evidence of his use of chemical weapons had not been fully verified.......i would have abstained even though he is a murdering dickhead

JC Footy Genius · Dec 4, 2015

El Presidente said:
I had a word with his mum, and she said he's not a totalitarian dictator who is responsible for the genocide of his own citizens, he's just a very naughty boy. ((c) Life of Brian).

Thank you for reinforcing my point EP, impeccable source. Assad is clearly misunderstood and was obviously furious when he found out civilians were being slaughtered in the wrong sort of way (attracting too much attention).

El Presidente said:
No, but we are working feverishly at Mod Towers to arrange for the words "Terrorist Sympathiser" to appear alongside the avatar of those who voted 'No'.

Thanks for the update the PM will be pleased. Speaking of Mod Towers have you put the xmas decorations up yet or is it the usual festive NSC funded soiree to the Seychelles this year? Heard a nasty rumour it might be Bognor Butlins #allinthistogether :down:

symyjym · Dec 4, 2015

pastafarian said:
The vote to bomb Assad two years ago was very simply about stopping his ability to use chemical weapons,it was not about regime change or taking sides,the motion proposed in front of the house was very explicit on this.

Me personally Yes bomb the **** for being an evil **** but No because the evidence of his use of chemical weapons had not been fully verified.......i would have abstained even though he is a murdering dickhead

They are all mudering dickheads in the Middle East but if Assad left and didn't defend his people, the Alawite's, Christian's and Shia's would all be slaughtered without mercy' leaving the multi factions of rebel groups and Daesh to fight it out and probably ending up an Islamic State. You may have fled the country if you were in his position and left the people he is defending to die but that would be cowardly with far worse bloody consequences.

The way I see it, if I was dropped by plane over Syria, and had to parachute to a prefered area, I would try and guide myself to Damascus or the Kurdish held areas. That is how I decide which side I am on. Where would you want to land?

symyjym · Dec 4, 2015

How the Dominoes Will Fall After ISIS Takes Damascus

Well worth a read for anyone who wants Assad to flee or be lynched.

http://observer.com/2015/09/how-the-dominoes-will-fall-after-isis-takes-damascus/

[MENTION=21401]pastafarian[/MENTION] this backs up my previous comment.

Peter Grummit · Dec 4, 2015

pg

symyjym · Dec 4, 2015

Peter Grummit said:
pg

Corrected for you

Peter Grummit · Dec 4, 2015

I don't think you can make Hameron out as a Nazi. But the quote is scarily apt.

PG

symyjym · Dec 4, 2015

Peter Grummit said:
I don't think you can make Hameron out as a Nazi. But the quote is scarily apt.

PG

Of course not, that's not the intention. Just seemed a fitting photoshop momnet.

JC Footy Genius · Dec 4, 2015

Peter Grummit said:
I don't think you can make Hameron out as a Nazi. But the quote is scarily apt.

PG

It is a statement of fact that ISIS are and have been trying to attack us. Are you suggesting Cameron is making it up to try and manipulate the public?

glasfryn · Dec 4, 2015

JC Footy Genius said:
It is a statement of fact that ISIS are and have been trying to attack us. Are you suggesting Cameron is making it up to try and manipulate the public?

anyone with half a brain knows its coming at some time
and I don't suggest he is lying about this
but he lies about most other things

Peter Grummit · Dec 4, 2015

JC Footy Genius said:
It is a statement of fact that ISIS are and have been trying to attack us. Are you suggesting Cameron is making it up to try and manipulate the public?

No. I wouldn't go that far. The security services do a great job to help keep us safe. I'm just struck how 70 years on, the hawkish narrative is broadly similar.

PG

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