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[Politics] Brexit

If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?

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beorhthelm

beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
35,315
skipper734 said:
Trade agreements are a irrelevant. Pick something up, anything, go on I bet it's got Made in China written on it. Has the EU got a trade agreement with China?
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nope and none with the US either, yet there's an awful lot of trade with them. trade agreements are just to get some beneficial deal, reduce barriers and remove tariffs. and what the inners seem to ignore is that you open up your markets. thats great for increasing competition but might be detrimental to some businesses and groups. gain some josb here, lose some there, gain a billion worth of trade here, lose a billion there.
 






Two Professors

Two Professors

Two Mad Professors
Jul 13, 2009
7,617
Multicultural Brum
5ways said:
That's a good question to ask. Perhaps they want their friend and ally to be powerful and influential? Perhaps they want it to be able to amplify its voice on the world stage and be a central player. Rather than a has-been. Perhaps they don't want another Brexit-induced European recession slamming their tourism and other industries? There are a few reasons.
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Perhaps they need our financial contributions to bail out the Euro countries as they go bust.The ECB can't print any more money to do it,IMF don't want to risk it,and Germany doesn't want to pick up the whole bill!
 


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Two Professors said:
Perhaps they need our financial contributions to bail out the Euro countries as they go bust.The ECB can't print any more money to do it,IMF don't want to risk it,and Germany doesn't want to pick up the whole bill!
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That's the truth of it.
 


drew

drew

Drew
Oct 3, 2006
23,070
Burgess Hill
Westdene Seagull said:
The key word being 'agreement' - a two way thing.
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So the fact that we have been involved in discussions as part of the EU along the lines of TTIP you think that will change if we go it alone. The US are negotiating a similar agreement with Pacific rim countries (TPP).

The EU are negotiating from a strong position, ie exports to US in 2014 were €311b and imports €206b. Our trade last year were exports £45b and imports £35b. On our own we don't negotiate from a position of strength.

Whilst I don't know the ins and outs of TTIP, I understand our financial institutions are very keen on as it will open up the US market to them so, if there is an exit vote then likely they will be negotiating for similar things.
 








gregbrighton

gregbrighton

New member
Aug 10, 2014
2,059
Brighton
drew said:
So the fact that we have been involved in discussions as part of the EU along the lines of TTIP you think that will change if we go it alone. The US are negotiating a similar agreement with Pacific rim countries (TPP).

The EU are negotiating from a strong position, ie exports to US in 2014 were €311b and imports €206b. Our trade last year were exports £45b and imports £35b. On our own we don't negotiate from a position of strength.

Whilst I don't know the ins and outs of TTIP, I understand our financial institutions are very keen on as it will open up the US market to them so, if there is an exit vote then likely they will be negotiating for similar things.
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This is very true. We will be at the back of the queue and you can be sure that the USA will screw us for all we have.
 




skipper734

skipper734

Registered ruffian
Aug 9, 2008
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beorhthelm

beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
35,315
gregbrighton said:
This is very true. We will be at the back of the queue and you can be sure that the USA will screw us for all we have.
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there is not a current agreement, so any and all tariffs and restrictions on their markets as today. it would mean nothing changes. any agreement, say bi-lateral removal of tariffs for a number of goods, would be of immediate net gain from the current position.
 






Irish_Seagull

Irish_Seagull

New member
Mar 25, 2014
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Captain Sensible said:
Your naivety is reflected by so many that believe the Brexit hype.
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By their very nature those that what to have the UK as an independent state are the opposite of naive

You would have to be naive to believe without questioning the gibberish they use as a reason to remain under EU control

Captain Sensible said:
Put simply the cash to be made from the EU is enormous.
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Walking around Brighton today shopping I passed by dozens of young homeless people living on the street, the only people that make money out of the EU are the same ones that had it to begin with

To hell with them.

Captain Sensible said:
The Eurozone carries on and is still somewhere where a huge amount of trade is successfully amassed in billions. Crossing your fingers that one day it will collapse, to prove yourself you voted the right way, will be a long drawn out affair.
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You make very little sense here, these scum bags that make this money are not just the ones that
 


JC Footy Genius

JC Footy Genius

Bringer of TRUTH
Jun 9, 2015
10,568
skipper734 said:
Trade agreements are a irrelevant. Pick something up, anything, go on I bet it's got Made in China written on it. Has the EU got a trade agreement with China?
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No it hasn't. An interesting article kindly provided by a pro remain poster gives us some of the reasons why and how being an independent nation free to pursue our own trade deals would strengthen our economy.

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2...switzerlands-free-trade-agreement-with-china/

For more than decade, there was accord between China and the EU that free trade talks should be explored, especially given the growing trade volume between the two economies and Beijing’s interest in developing Europe as an alternative economic pole to the United States and East Asia. Yet the process has frequently been hampered by diplomatic and economic tribulations which have prevented it from evolving beyond the very preliminary stages.

Early obstacles included the EU’s refusal since 2004 to grant China market economy status (MES), a prerequisite for the start of any free trade talks as far as Beijing is concerned, as well as widely different levels of enthusiasm among EU member economies for a free trade agreement with China. Since that time, China and the EU have also been embroiled in a series of trade disputes, most notably over accusations that Beijing was condoning the dumping of solar panels onto the international market, adding to the level of mistrust between the two sides.

Despite the beginning of the European recession in 2008 and ongoing questions about the financial health of the EU, which have also been warning lights for Beijing, the Xi Jinping government has called upon the EU to consider opening free trade agreement talks. President Xi won a promise of sorts, during his visit to Brussels in March of last year, that the EU would return to the question of an agreement in the near future, but since that time there has been little progress, as the EU has focused on a host of internal problems, with the slow-motion calamity of the Greek debt crisis at the top of the list.

Switzerland, by contrast ...
 






drew

drew

Drew
Oct 3, 2006
23,070
Burgess Hill
JC Footy Genius said:
No it hasn't. An interesting article kindly provided by a pro remain poster gives us some of the reasons why and how being an independent nation free to pursue our own trade deals would strengthen our economy.

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2...switzerlands-free-trade-agreement-with-china/

For more than decade, there was accord between China and the EU that free trade talks should be explored, especially given the growing trade volume between the two economies and Beijing’s interest in developing Europe as an alternative economic pole to the United States and East Asia. Yet the process has frequently been hampered by diplomatic and economic tribulations which have prevented it from evolving beyond the very preliminary stages.

Early obstacles included the EU’s refusal since 2004 to grant China market economy status (MES), a prerequisite for the start of any free trade talks as far as Beijing is concerned, as well as widely different levels of enthusiasm among EU member economies for a free trade agreement with China. Since that time, China and the EU have also been embroiled in a series of trade disputes, most notably over accusations that Beijing was condoning the dumping of solar panels onto the international market, adding to the level of mistrust between the two sides.

Despite the beginning of the European recession in 2008 and ongoing questions about the financial health of the EU, which have also been warning lights for Beijing, the Xi Jinping government has called upon the EU to consider opening free trade agreement talks. President Xi won a promise of sorts, during his visit to Brussels in March of last year, that the EU would return to the question of an agreement in the near future, but since that time there has been little progress, as the EU has focused on a host of internal problems, with the slow-motion calamity of the Greek debt crisis at the top of the list.

Switzerland, by contrast ...
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Does it really prove what you claim?

EU trade with China was €130b in 2004 and had risen to €302b by 2014. So trade with China grew more than double with EU!!!
 


thisistips

thisistips

New member
Oct 17, 2010
607
Away away away
5ways said:
Very amusing that you slam Obama. Okay then - what about...Modi in India? Nah another anti-British shill for remain. Oh okay - let's try....Australia, nope they want us to remain. New Zealand? Also remain. Hmmm...who in the great commonwealth can we turn to next - Zuma, have any thoughts? Any stiring comments for us, Sri Lanka? What about you Jamaica? Any thoughts on throwing of the shackles of repression? Actually I think they might - but it's probably not what Brexiters want to hear. :lolol:
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Maybe Mugabe would be in favour of brexit? He'd be in good company
 


D

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gregbrighton said:
Obama says it could take TEN years for a UK - US trade deal to be struck! That's terrible news!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36120808
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Obama just came to the UK because he wants to help promote TTIP, that's why it was never mentioned in any speech and want's us to stay in the EU. Can you not see it? If this is so good then we wouldn't have people on the streets in Germany protesting about it would we?

You know deep down it is wrong and I'm dissapointed that a lot of the Remainers, who are probably the first to talk about democracy are hanging on to what everything Cameron and Obama says.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36120560


 
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M

Maldini

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Aug 19, 2015
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It shows Camerons desperation that he felt he had to call in a favour from his big brother whom he idolises.

On the Remain side you have the goverment.You have the Prime Minister who will be given more press/tv space to vent his rubbish.You have the power and favours the goverment can call in from anywhere.On the other side you have what seems to me to be a disorganised Leave camp.Just a bunch of lesser known individuals giving an opionion not really working together.Boris Johnson seemingly the leader giving most of his statement its seems when he's out on the street and not in some hall with many people in attendance as with Cameron which of course looks better on TV.

This is like Man Utd v Scunthorpe.We have it all to do.
 




Westdene Seagull

Westdene Seagull

aka Cap'n Carl Firecrotch
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Oct 27, 2003
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Maldini said:
It shows Camerons desperation that he felt he had to call in a favour from his big brother whom he idolises.

On the Remain side you have the goverment.You have the Prime Minister who will be given more press/tv space to vent his rubbish.You have the power and favours the goverment can call in from anywhere.On the other side you have what seems to me to be a disorganised Leave camp.Just a bunch of lesser known individuals giving an opionion not really working together.Boris Johnson seemingly the leader giving most of his statement its seems when he's out on the street and not in some hall with many people in attendance as with Cameron which of course looks better on TV.

This is like Man Utd v Scunthorpe.We have it all to do.
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Really to bring Obama over as you said just smacks of desperation. The EU is wrong, if it wasn't we wouldn't have 48% of the country voting against it. As has been said this is the establishment V the people, however the ones you would expect to be shouting about democracy the loudest are now the most silent, it's because they don't really give a shit about our country, and are just Remainers to suit their own political agendas, Corbyn I could pick as one example.

On the other side we could say the same for Boris, but in my eyes it takes a bigger man to come out for Leave than it does to Remain, which makes me feel Boris is being far more truthful than many people in the Remain camp think.
 
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