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# Iron Lady 2

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Mayonaise

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Mouldy Boots said:
What ever you think of Theresa May (and she wasn't my first choice).

That woman has probably had the most challenging year as PM ever.

What with Brexit,
General elections,
Terror attacks,
Grenfell Tower tragedy.

That without some press laying the boot knife and whatever else into her try to make her the scapegoat.

I for one respect her to still be standing strong with the shite shes had thrown at her. Her balls must be huge.

Would Corbyn have survived it all???

I think it's time we all held hands and get behind May and Davis as we now enter Brexit.

#Togetherwiththeresaandtheuk

To infinity and beyond.
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Sorry but the more I read this the more I think this has to be a wind up...
 




Eeyore

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seagulls4ever said:
It seems like Theresa May has learnt absolutely nothing from the GE. Weak and completely out of touch. Robotic and can't give a straight answer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-YWK7ZnCfE

If Boris manages to become their next leader, things may get even worse for the Tories. He recently came on top of a poll of Tory members.

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What a mess.
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Ruth Davidson would appeal to many floating voters across the spectrum. She'd remove the haughty image the Tories still have.

There may be some unreasonable reserve about her candidature though....
 


Jim in the West

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Fascinating article in yesterday's Sunday Times - won't copy it all, but a short excerpt (May is a million miles from Thatcher. No judgement, no charisma, no self-belief, bot able to think for herself...I could go on):

That weekend her two chiefs of staff, Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill, resigned, leaving her alone without political advice. One Conservative compared May that day to a bereaved relative in a daze, being steered into doing things at the suggestion of others: “It was a case of ‘Sign here’, ‘Do this’, ‘Say that’. ‘Make a statement’, ‘Do a deal with the DUP [Democratic Unionist Party]’, ‘Visit the palace’.”

At 12.30pm on Friday 9th, May went to Buckingham Palace to see the Queen. Downing Street had already announced that May had secured an agreement with the DUP. When Sir Christopher Geidt, then the Queen’s private secretary, heard that May was on her way to the palace he was “incredulous” that things had moved so quickly, according to a Whitehall official who spoke to him that day. In truth, the deal had not been finalised.

Shortly before she left for the palace, May broke down in tears again. The make-up artist who had been called in to help her prepare for her audience had to paint May’s face again.
 




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Jim in the West said:
Shortly before she left for the palace, May broke down in tears again.
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Who can blame the poor woman. Where Benteke failed, how could she possibly follow?
 








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looney said:
I think she is weak incompetent and doesn't know what she is doing.

When she stood after being a remainer I am surprised someone didn't say"Excuse me, what do you think you are doing?"

she showed poor judgement in calling an election, poor performance fighting it and she again is showing poor judgement. She should be playing hardball with the EU. The sooner she is removed the better.
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Mayonaise said:
Sorry but the more I read this the more I think this has to be a wind up...
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Maybe there is some sexism here.

TM has just had the usually rampant Piers Morgan by the balls and he was going nowhere.

Make no mistake she is a strong lady #ironlady2
 




mikeyjh

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I heard about 10 minutes of Philip Hammond's speech today how the Tory model of capitalism works so well and how everything is going marvellously and with a gentle hand on the tiller, Brexit will make it so much better still !!!! I really don't think he can understand why people are flocking to the Labour Party....I mean, we are all so well off and enjoying the austerity surely ?
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I listened to the whole thing, it was marvellous. It was an object lesson in how not to form a cohesive and convincing argument for your target audience. Essentially, there was a philosophical thrust to his speech that only market economics can provide a success future and that they must educate the young British people of today that that is the case. To underpin his argument, he largely focused on Labour's difficulties in the mid 1970s and Hugo Chavez's Venezuela. Go to say, if I was a 20 year old in Burgess Hill, some grey haired toff lecturing me about a time that maybe my parents can't even remember or I country I've never heard of, that definitely do it for me.....
 


looney

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Mouldy Boots said:
Maybe there is some sexism here.

TM has just had the usually rampant Piers Morgan by the balls and he was going nowhere.

Make no mistake she is a strong lady #ironlady2
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I grew to admire Thatcher so I doubt it, Piers Morgan imo is a lightweight, but Im happy to have my mind changed by TM but ive been waiting a long time.
 








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mikeyjh said:
I listened to the whole thing, it was marvellous. It was an object lesson in how not to form a cohesive and convincing argument for your target audience. Essentially, there was a philosophical thrust to his speech that only market economics can provide a success future and that they must educate the young British people of today that that is the case. To underpin his argument, he largely focused on Labour's difficulties in the mid 1970s and Hugo Chavez's Venezuela. Go to say, if I was a 20 year old in Burgess Hill, some grey haired toff lecturing me about a time that maybe my parents can't even remember or I country I've never heard of, that definitely do it for me.....
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my thoughts on that speech were similar to yours....how do you win over young votes? well i'd start with not patronising them, telling them that "they only vote for the other lot because they don't understand anything" and acting like that really shit teacher at school- that's basically lesson one in "how not to engage with young people" and sums up precisely why young votes have turned away from the tories- I actually think it's very little to do with Labour and mostly to do with a complete lack of understanding by the tories in terms of what matters to young people- May is the epitome of that, she has precisely **** all idea
 


JC Footy Genius

JC Footy Genius

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turienzo's lovechild said:
my thoughts on that speech were similar to yours....how do you win over young votes? well i'd start with not patronising them, telling them that "they only vote for the other lot because they don't understand anything" and acting like that really shit teacher at school- that's basically lesson one in "how not to engage with young people" and sums up precisely why young votes have turned away from the tories- I actually think it's very little to do with Labour and mostly to do with a complete lack of understanding by the tories in terms of what matters to young people- May is the epitome of that, she has precisely **** all idea
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The Hammond speech was dreadful but I don't agree with the rest of your analysis. How do you win over any (young/old/middle/working class) votes .. bung loads of money at the target group .. it usually works. The Tories can't match the Corbyn offer because they know the money isn't there (they live in the real world) so make the mistake of offering half-hearted gestures. Unfortunately, the younger generations may have to learn an incredibly painful lesson that many have learn't before them ... socialism always ends in failure.
 




ManOfSussex

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Still, there's always Boris to say something truly inspiring and classy.

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JC Footy Genius said:
The Hammond speech was dreadful but I don't agree with the rest of your analysis. How do you win over any (young/old/middle/working class) votes .. bung loads of money at the target group .. it usually works. The Tories can't match the Corbyn offer because they know the money isn't there (they live in the real world) so make the mistake of offering half-hearted gestures. Unfortunately, the younger generations may have to learn an incredibly painful lesson that many have learn't before them ... socialism always ends in failure.
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And there endeth the latest party political broadcast, by its loyal servant, on behalf of the conservative party :rock:

Yes, you have definitely persuaded me :lolol:

As opposed to the socialist failure of which you speak (NHS, minimum wage?) - what was all that conservative success - how did that end? Oh, yes. It was failure (you lot got booted out - UK politics is a revolving door, not a hegmony, no matter how much you'd love one).....:shrug:

If you were a little less partizan and a little less like a small boy bragging about how much richer your parents are, you might have your campaign on behalf of the conservatives taken a bit more seriously. Instead your bleating is driving me, reluctantly, into the arms of Jeremy. :wozza:
 


JC Footy Genius

JC Footy Genius

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Harry Wilson's tackle said:
And there endeth the latest party political broadcast, by its loyal servant, on behalf of the conservative party :rock:

Yes, you have definitely persuaded me :lolol:

As opposed to the socialist failure of which you speak (NHS, minimum wage?) - what was all that conservative success - how did that end? Oh, yes. It was failure (you lot got booted out - UK politics is a revolving door, not a hegmony, no matter how much you'd love one).....:shrug:

If you were a little less partizan and a little less like a small boy bragging about how much richer your parents are, you might have your campaign on behalf of the conservatives taken a bit more seriously. Instead your bleating is driving me, reluctantly, into the arms of Jeremy. :wozza:
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Party broadcast saying Hammond's speech was sh*t. Also rather conceited to think I was trying to persuade you of anything.

I'll forgive your latest outburst and put it down to yet another senior moment or possibly drink (a common affliction for Corbyn luvvies) :p
 


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turienzo's lovechild said:
my thoughts on that speech were similar to yours....how do you win over young votes? well i'd start with not patronising them, telling them that "they only vote for the other lot because they don't understand anything" and acting like that really shit teacher at school- that's basically lesson one in "how not to engage with young people" and sums up precisely why young votes have turned away from the tories- I actually think it's very little to do with Labour and mostly to do with a complete lack of understanding by the tories in terms of what matters to young people- May is the epitome of that, she has precisely **** all idea
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I agree. Labour need a credible opposition. She should sack Boris or resign and let him stand for leader. This is far worse than the Brown Blair wars. And yes, you have to have a connection with the electorate. Banging on about the past may inform a mature discussion on politics on NSC (steady with that mouthful of tea/wine) but it won't win the hearts and minds of the new young voters. I will hark back to the past here - labour got booted out in the election after one after the war bcause they refused to ditch austerity (rationing). The conservatives offered a bit of joie de vivre - hope. The fact that the young see a beardy old socialist dinosaur as a figure of hope is a damning indictment of the tories today. On the other hand, I suspect that if they had wee Ruthy Davidson at the helm they would sweep all before them. As the party of ruthless self interest (which is necessary and good in politics) that cold bloodedly dispatched a hamstrung Thatcher, do they still have the bone marrow and guts to see what they need to do? With the lines drawn between May and Boris supporters and the clouds of this coming war (possibly phoney forever) on the horizon, I doubt it.
 




DavidinSouthampton

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JC Footy Genius said:
The Hammond speech was dreadful but I don't agree with the rest of your analysis. How do you win over any (young/old/middle/working class) votes .. bung loads of money at the target group .. it usually works. The Tories can't match the Corbyn offer because they know the money isn't there (they live in the real world) so make the mistake of offering half-hearted gestures. Unfortunately, the younger generations may have to learn an incredibly painful lesson that many have learn't before them ... socialism always ends in failure.
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Our current government and its predecessor under Mr Cameron seem to be making a pretty good fist of showing that capitalism doesn't work either. I read one commentator today in that bastion of marxist ideology the Guardian (that is intended to be ironic) writing that there is nothing wrong with Capitalism, It's just that Mr Hammond and before him Mr Osborne have not been very good at it.
 




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