[Politics] Brexit

studio150 said:

I can now sleep soundly in the knowledge that harmony within the out/in voters is far closer than it was before.

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GT49er said:

No it isn't. The gulf remains. I really hope you aren't expecting me to apologise! Although I recognise that that is too much to ask.

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studio150 said:

What a wonderful response I am so glad that in some little way I have brought some sunshine into your life and brightened your day.

I can now sleep soundly in the knowledge that harmony within the out/in voters is far closer than it was before.

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portslade seagull said:

Are the spoilt brats still whining over a defeat. At least my 3yr old granddaughter gets over hers and moves on. Can one of these please explain why they don't mention the 200k plus job losses in the banking sector over the last few years with bank closures and so on, but they harp on about possible losses in the future when they are unlikely to happen

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GT49er said:

Guess that's why you voted remain then. It all makes sense now, as far as you are concerned, at least.

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portslade seagull said:

Are the spoilt brats still whining over a defeat. At least my 3yr old granddaughter gets over hers and moves on. Can one of these please explain why they don't mention the 200k plus job losses in the banking sector over the last few years with bank closures and so on, but they harp on about possible losses in the future when they are unlikely to happen

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JC Footy Genius said:

If May (rightly) delivers something like real Brexit it won't go 'Pete Tong' unless the EU decides to take such a hard line in negotiations that it causes significant economic damage on all sides. I doubt this will happen as money/vested interests usually hold sway and the EU ..specifically the Eurozone countries are in no position to play hardball. To be clear I am not saying we can expect the same deal as we have now but the final agreement will most likely be economically palatable.

If you keep predicting a recession (1,2,5,10 years?) at some point it will inevitably happen ... linking it to Brexit is, of course, a given.

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portslade seagull said:

Are the spoilt brats still whining over a defeat. At least my 3yr old granddaughter gets over hers and moves on. Can one of these please explain why they don't mention the 200k plus job losses in the banking sector over the last few years with bank closures and so on, but they harp on about possible losses in the future when they are unlikely to happen

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Lincoln Imp said:

There is some pretty robust stuff going on on both sides of this debate but there is one thing I genuinely don't understand. What are those arguing the anti-Brexit case (and certainly the anti-hard Brexit case) described by their opponents as being moaning, whingeing, whining spoilt brats? Would the Brexiters on here have described Farage and his chums that way if the referendum result had been reversed - because as sure as heck they wouldn't have packed up. They didn't pack up in the nineties when parliamentary majorities and clear election results went against them and Farage made it clear just before the referendum that they wouldn't pack up if they lost this time.

I don't know the answer. It might simply be that some NSC Brexiters are too ready to descend to playground abuse or it might be (and I'm trying to help them here) that they are genuinely cross about something in particular. If the latter, that something might be the suggestion that many Leave voters were making a general point on June 23 rather than commenting on specific EU issues. That subject came up again on a Sky debate this week. One contributor said that the referendum showed that millions of people were fed up with being ignored and lied to and, by implication, that's why they voted as they did. A generally furious Brexit supporter in the studio didn't disagree at all with this. Most open-minded people wouldn't, but if that debate had been on North Stand Chat, I suspect that Brexit supporters would be ranting about moaning remainers whining that all Brexiters are ignorant racists. Which of course is untrue.

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GT49er said:

Some of your previous posts were at least rational, even if many of us disagreed with them. On the sauce or getting desperate? Your choice.

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Lincoln Imp said:

There is some pretty robust stuff going on on both sides of this debate but there is one thing I genuinely don't understand. What are those arguing the anti-Brexit case (and certainly the anti-hard Brexit case) described by their opponents as being moaning, whingeing, whining spoilt brats? Would the Brexiters on here have described Farage and his chums that way if the referendum result had been reversed - because as sure as heck they wouldn't have packed up. They didn't pack up in the nineties when parliamentary majorities and clear election results went against them and Farage made it clear just before the referendum that they wouldn't pack up if they lost this time.

I don't know the answer. It might simply be that some NSC Brexiters are too ready to descend to playground abuse or it might be (and I'm trying to help them here) that they are genuinely cross about something in particular. If the latter, that something might be the suggestion that many Leave voters were making a general point on June 23 rather than commenting on specific EU issues. That subject came up again on a Sky debate this week. One contributor said that the referendum showed that millions of people were fed up with being ignored and lied to and, by implication, that's why they voted as they did. A generally furious Brexit supporter in the studio didn't disagree at all with this. Most open-minded people wouldn't, but if that debate had been on North Stand Chat, I suspect that Brexit supporters would be ranting about moaning remainers whining that all Brexiters are ignorant racists. Which of course is untrue.

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mikeyjh said:

On a broader note, to define people on the wrong side of a vote as bad losers or whingers is pathetic - It's not a football match where it's all done after 90 mins, it has far reaching implications that people on both sides are very concerned about. When the tories won the 2015 election I didn't suddenly give up on my left wing views and start agreeing with the privatisation of the NHS so why should I now go along with brexit?

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mikeyjh said:

My genuine suspicion here, absolutely not something to try and score points, is that who use expressions like remoaners and whingers are nothing like as confident in the long term outcome as they propose to be. It's the normal behaviour of someone lacking confidence to seek reinforcing views from others and obviously in the case of Brexit there are some very loud contrary opinions. One simple fact is that we still really don't know what brexit means, May has had several unsuccessful attempts to define it, as have others but that lack of definitely probably contributes to the uncertainty.

On a broader note, to define people on the wrong side of a vote as bad losers or whingers is pathetic - It's not a football match where it's all done after 90 mins, it has far reaching implications that people on both sides are very concerned about. When the tories won the 2015 election I didn't suddenly give up on my left wing views and start agreeing with the privatisation of the NHS so why should I now go along with brexit?

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BigGully said:

Well perhaps stop asking for confirmation on things you absolutely can never perceive as even slightly agreeable in your personal political psyche, Brexit in any of it forms will be deemed unacceptable to you, you can only ever be satisfied if what is delivered is something that you find wholly preferable, something that will never happen.

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BigGully said:

Well perhaps stop asking for confirmation on things you absolutely can never perceive as even slightly agreeable in your personal political psyche, Brexit in any of it forms will be deemed unacceptable to you, you can only ever be satisfied if what is delivered is something that you find wholly preferable, something that will never happen.

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FREDBINNEY said:

How about you answer question #110 on the thread "so the fact he was carrying a gun " ? Why are you avoiding answering ?

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Lincoln Imp said:

There is some pretty robust stuff going on on both sides of this debate but there is one thing I genuinely don't understand. What are those arguing the anti-Brexit case (and certainly the anti-hard Brexit case) described by their opponents as being moaning, whingeing, whining spoilt brats? Would the Brexiters on here have described Farage and his chums that way if the referendum result had been reversed - because as sure as heck they wouldn't have packed up. They didn't pack up in the nineties when parliamentary majorities and clear election results went against them and Farage made it clear just before the referendum that they wouldn't pack up if they lost this time.

I don't know the answer. It might simply be that some NSC Brexiters are too ready to descend to playground abuse or it might be (and I'm trying to help them here) that they are genuinely cross about something in particular. If the latter, that something might be the suggestion that many Leave voters were making a general point on June 23 rather than commenting on specific EU issues. That subject came up again on a Sky debate this week. One contributor said that the referendum showed that millions of people were fed up with being ignored and lied to and, by implication, that's why they voted as they did. A generally furious Brexit supporter in the studio didn't disagree at all with this. Most open-minded people wouldn't, but if that debate had been on North Stand Chat, I suspect that Brexit supporters would be ranting about moaning remainers whining that all Brexiters are ignorant racists. Which of course is untrue.

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Baldseagull said:

Are you on the right thread?

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FREDBINNEY said:

Yes , [MENTION=12706]mikeyjh[/MENTION] has been avoiding answering a question, because to answer it truthfully will not suit his general stance , so I am just reminding him, whether it's through cowardice or what, I don't know , but hopefully this will spur him into answering.

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