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symyjym

Banned
Nov 2, 2009
13,138
Brighton / Hove actually
The Pact of Umar list'of rights and restrictions on non-Muslims. According to Islamic theology, Umar is one of four 'Rightly-guided Caliphs.

This is the major foundation of Sharia law so it is handy understand.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pact_of_Umar

• The ruler would provide security for the Christian believers who follow the rules of the pact.

• Prohibition against building new churches, places of worship, monasteries, monks or a new cell. Hence it was also forbidden to build new synagogues, although it is known that new synagogues were built after the occupation of the Islam, for example in Jerusalem and Ramle. The law that prohibits to build new synagogues was not new for the Jews, it was applied also during the Byzantines. It was new for the Christians.

• Prohibition against rebuilding destroyed churches, by day or night, in their own neighborhoods or those situated in the quarters of the Muslims.

• Prohibition against hanging a cross on the Churches.

• Muslims should be allowed to enter Churches (for shelter) in any time, both in day and night.

• Prohibition against calling the prayer by a bell or a some kind of a Gong (Nakos).

• Prohibition of Christians and Jews against raising their voices at prayer times.

• Prohibition against teaching non-Muslim children the Qur'an.

• Christians were forbidden to show their religion in public, or to be seen with Christian books or symbols in public, on the roads or in the markets of the Muslims.

• Palm Sunday and Easter parades were banned.

• Funerals should be conducted quietly.

• Prohibition against burying non-Muslim dead near Muslims.

• Prohibition against raising a pig next to a Muslims neighbor.

• Christian were forbidden to sell Muslims alcoholic beverage.

• Christians were forbidden to provide cover or shelter for spies.

• Prohibition against telling a lie about Muslims.

• Obligation to show deference toward Muslims. If a Muslim wishes to sit, non-Muslim should be rise from his seats and let the Muslim sit.

• Prohibition against preaching Muslim to conversion out of Islam.

• Prohibition against the conversion to Islam of some one who wants to convert.

• The appearance of the non-Muslims has to be different from those of the Muslims: Prohibition against wearing Qalansuwa (kind of dome that was used to wear by Bedouin), Bedouin turban (Amamh), Muslims shoes, and Sash to their waists. As to their heads, it was forbidden to comb the hair sidewise as the Muslim custom, and they were forced to cut the hair in the front of the head. Also non-Muslim shall not imitate the Arab-Muslim way of speech nor shall adopt the kunyas (Arabic byname, such as "abu Khattib").

• Obligation to identify non-Muslims as such by clipping the heads' forelocks and by always dressing in the same manner, wherever they go, with binding the zunar (a kind of belt) around the waists. Christians to wear blue belts or turbans, Jews to wear yellow belts or turbans, Zoroastrians to wear black belts or turbans, and Samaritans to wear red belts or turbans.

• Prohibition against riding animals in the Muslim custom, and prohibition against riding with a saddle.

• Prohibition against adopting a Muslim title of honor.

• Prohibition against engraving Arabic inscriptions on signet seals.

• Prohibition against any possession of weapons.

• Prohibition against teaching children the Koran.

• Non-Muslims must host a Muslim passerby for at least 3 days and feed him.

• Non-Muslims prohibited from buying a Muslim prisoner.

• Prohibition against taking slaves who have been allotted to Muslims.

• Prohibition against non-Muslims to lead, govern or employ Muslims.

• If a non-Muslim beats a Muslim, his Dhimmi is removed.

• The worship places of non-Muslims must be lower in elevation than the lowest mosque in town.

• The houses of non-Muslims must not be taller in elevation than the houses of Muslims.

• Houses of the non-Muslims must be short so that each time that they would enter or exit their houses they would have to bend, in a way that it would remind them of their low status in the world.
 


Thunder Bolt

Ordinary Supporter
Probably a fair reflection although how many more are being radicalised, how many of those migrants traveling across Europe are already radicalised.
Just look at our prisons and the radicalisation going on under our noses.
The excuses and appeasement are not helping.

Thos migrants travelling across Europe are largely trying to escape terror and the horror of war.

The terrorists that have been attacking here, and in France have been home grown radicalised terrorists.
 


spence

British and Proud
Oct 15, 2014
9,811
Crawley
Thos migrants travelling across Europe are largely trying to escape terror and the horror of war.

The terrorists that have been attacking here, and in France have been home grown radicalised terrorists.

What about the thousands fleeing from Africa?
 


Tyrone Biggums

Well-known member
Jun 25, 2006
13,498
Geelong, Australia
What do you want to happen, 1.6 Billion Muslims all to say, yes our religion encourages us to be violent, when the vast majority are not violent at all? 5 out of the last 12 Nobel Peace Prize winners have been Muslims. It would be like getting 1.2 Billion Catholics to admit that their religion encourages paedophilia.

The difference there is you can say or direct any kind of langage or vitriol towards the Pope or the Catholic church and none of its followers will do a damn thing about it. There will be no repercusiuons of people expressing an opinion.

You can call Popes and priests Nazis and Kiddie Fiddlers and nothing happens, draw a pissy cartoon of Mohammed and people die.

Nobody ever made up a moronic term like Cathophobia when Catholics were being hated on by people widely. Nobody calls anyone who hates on Catholics racist (another moronic thing directed at people who critcise Islam).

That's the irony that all the straight thinking people see with the left being at the forefront of defending Islam from open criticism. They were one of the most prominent collective groups to attack the Catholic Church but are now one of the most foreceful defenders of Islam in the western world..

When Christianity was being attacked left right and centre by the likes of Dawkins and Hitchens they were applauded for being heroes by many of the left for openly exposing christianity.

Now the likes of Dawkins and his set are having a go at Islam many of the people who appluaded them for attacking Christianity have turned on them and now abuse them for attacking Islam.

The hypocristy and double standards is staggering.
 


studio150

Well-known member
Jul 30, 2011
29,555
On the Border
The difference there is you can say or direct any kind of langage or vitriol towards the Pope or the Catholic church and none of its followers will do a damn thing about it. There will be no repercusiuons of people expressing an opinion.

You can call Popes and priests Nazis and Kiddie Fiddlers and nothing happens, draw a pissy cartoon of Mohammed and people die.

Nobody ever made up a moronic term like Cathophobia when Catholics were being hated on by people widely. Nobody calls anyone who hates on Catholics racist (another moronic thing directed at people who critcise Islam).

That's the irony that all the straight thinking people see with the left being at the forefront of defending Islam from open criticism. They were one of the most prominent collective groups to attack the Catholic Church but are now one of the most foreceful defenders of Islam in the western world..

When Christianity was being attacked left right and centre by the likes of Dawkins and Hitchens they were applauded for being heroes by many of the left for openly exposing christianity.

Now the likes of Dawkins and his set are having a go at Islam many of the people who appluaded them for attacking Christianity have turned on them and now abuse them for attacking Islam.

The hypocristy and double standards is staggering.

A good post.

Although Mrs Whitehouse did like stirring things up through the old blasphemy charge when everyone else was far more open minded.
Which of course is no where bear as harsh a response.
Bring back the Spanish Inquisition
 




symyjym

Banned
Nov 2, 2009
13,138
Brighton / Hove actually
Pakistani fashion model Qandeel Baloch, who recently stirred controversy by posting pictures of herself with a Muslim cleric on social media, was strangled to death by her brother, police said Saturday. She was Pakistan’s equivalent of Kim Kardashian.

http://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-pakistan-model-20160716-snap-story.html

Ibn Mâjah is one of the six most important hadîth collections:

Like the Messenger instructed:

The Messenger of Allah said: “Carry out the legal punishments on relatives and strangers, and do not let the fear of blame stop you from carrying out the command of Allah.” [Ibn Majah 3.20.2540]
 


Razzoo

Well-known member
Sep 11, 2011
5,291
N. Yorkshire
The difference there is you can say or direct any kind of langage or vitriol towards the Pope or the Catholic church and none of its followers will do a damn thing about it. There will be no repercusiuons of people expressing an opinion.

You can call Popes and priests Nazis and Kiddie Fiddlers and nothing happens, draw a pissy cartoon of Mohammed and people die.

Nobody ever made up a moronic term like Cathophobia when Catholics were being hated on by people widely. Nobody calls anyone who hates on Catholics racist (another moronic thing directed at people who critcise Islam).

That's the irony that all the straight thinking people see with the left being at the forefront of defending Islam from open criticism. They were one of the most prominent collective groups to attack the Catholic Church but are now one of the most foreceful defenders of Islam in the western world..

When Christianity was being attacked left right and centre by the likes of Dawkins and Hitchens they were applauded for being heroes by many of the left for openly exposing christianity.

Now the likes of Dawkins and his set are having a go at Islam many of the people who appluaded them for attacking Christianity have turned on them and now abuse them for attacking Islam.

The hypocristy and double standards is staggering.

A small point , no there is no "Cathophobia" but you've heard of sectarianism, terms like Taig, Fenian and also Protestants being called Huns etc. in Northern Ireland? Apart from that I do agree with the gist of your opinion. Islam on the whole is a much less tolerant faith than any others I can think of.
 


Tyrone Biggums

Well-known member
Jun 25, 2006
13,498
Geelong, Australia
A small point , no there is no "Cathophobia" but you've heard of sectarianism, terms like Taig, Fenian and also Protestants being called Huns etc. in Northern Ireland? Apart from that I do agree with the gist of your opinion. Islam on the whole is a much less tolerant faith than any others I can think of.

It's not so much about Islam's intolerance (as that's apparent) but more so about how Islam is afforded some special status that dictates people can't question or criticise it.

That special status ins't afforded to other ideologies in the west but is protected/defended by these idiot left wing groups.
 




Buzzer

Languidly Clinical
Oct 1, 2006
26,121
in the case of this chap in Nice it doesnt look like radicalisation, just a nutter who lost it, so how do you identify that person?

In this case it DOES now appear as if the terrorist was radicalised according to France's Interior Minister and head of the police.

“It seems” that the attacker, Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel, 31, “radicalized his views very rapidly. These are the first elements that our investigation has come up with through interviews with his acquaintances,” French Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve said Saturday, without offering further details. So far, five people have been detained for questioning in the case. We are now facing individuals who are responding positively to the messages issued by the Islamic State without having had any special training and without having access to weapons that allow them to commit mass murder,” Cazeneuve said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...27456e-4ab9-11e6-8dac-0c6e4accc5b1_story.html

Are you now prepared to accept that this bloke was an Islamic terrorist?
 


Razzoo

Well-known member
Sep 11, 2011
5,291
N. Yorkshire
It's not so much about Islam's intolerance (as that's apparent) but more so about how Islam is afforded some special status that dictates people can't question or criticise it.

That special status ins't afforded to other ideologies in the west but is protected/defended by these idiot left wing groups.

Fair enough.
 


JC Footy Genius

Bringer of TRUTH
Jun 9, 2015
10,568
It's not so much about Islam's intolerance (as that's apparent) but more so about how Islam is afforded some special status that dictates people can't question or criticise it.

That special status ins't afforded to other ideologies in the west but is protected/defended by these idiot left wing groups.

Douglas Murray makes some good points on this topic.



According to the Home Office if you are a non-Muslim and you make the following statement your presence will be deemed ‘not conducive to the public good’ and you will be barred from entering the United Kingdom:

‘It [Islam] is a religion and a belief system that mandates warfare against unbelievers for the purpose for establishing a societal model that is absolutely incompatible with Western society. Because of media and general government unwillingness to face the sources of Islamic terrorism these things remain largely unknown.’

If, on the other hand, you are a Muslim and you say the following then the UK government has no problem with you, and you can come in to the UK to do a speaking tour:

‘Devotion to Jihad for the sake of Allah, and the desire to shed blood, to smash skulls and to sever limbs for the sake of Allah and in defense of His religion, is, undoubtedly, an honor for the believer.’

In welcoming the decision to ban the first speaker, rather than the second, Keith Vaz, chairman of the Home Affairs Select Committee, has said:

‘The UK should never become a stage for inflammatory speakers who promote hate.’

Too late, Keith. Too late.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2013/06/a-gross-double-standard-over-hate-speech/
 




griff9

Active member
Mar 17, 2009
199
brighton
Sorry mate that is absolute rubbish. Muhammad was a paranoid warlord and killed everyone who did not believe he was a prophet. The Banu Qurayza tribe were besieged for 26 days, and although they were POW’s and begged for their lives, 600-800 men and boys who reached puberty were beheaded by the order of Muhammad.

His life was all about conquest, war and attacking caravan merchants all for 1/5 of the booty and first pick of sex slaves.

I am an atheist but can still understand that Muhammad was the complete opposite to Jesus and he set an evil example to those who follow his religion. The only blood on Jesus' hands were when he had nails driven through them.

It wouldn’t be so bad if he was just historically just known as being a warrior, I can accept that, but a Prophet with a message to humanity from God, not a chance.

ISIS, Daesh or any of the extremist groups are doing exactly what Muhammad did and they reference the Quran, hadiths and Sira.

source?
 


alfredmizen

Banned
Mar 11, 2015
6,342
Thos migrants travelling across Europe are largely trying to escape terror and the horror of war.

The terrorists that have been attacking here, and in France have been home grown radicalised terrorists.
:facepalm:
 


D

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It's not so much about Islam's intolerance (as that's apparent) but more so about how Islam is afforded some special status that dictates people can't question or criticise it.

That special status ins't afforded to other ideologies in the west but is protected/defended by these idiot left wing groups.

Scary times ahead. I dread to think what the EU and the UK is going to be like in say another 50 years time. It is all set up in such a way that I feel our own culture and religion will be pushed to one side eventually. The people who shout down others for expressing valid opinions really don't have a clue what they are doing.
 




dangull

Well-known member
Feb 24, 2013
5,105
Unfortunately, people can be radicalised in a few hours looking at internet web sites nowadays. Coups can be put down by mobile phone video messages.

20 years ago this may never have happened.
 




symyjym

Banned
Nov 2, 2009
13,138
Brighton / Hove actually

Dr Yasir Qadhi explains the Banu Qurayza event using authentic hadith's like Sahih al-Bukhari.

He is an Islamic scholar who looks at Islam objectively, or as objectively as a Muslim can, without hiding anything. He says it as he reads it and without making excuses. It's a very interesting story in its own right, and he tells it well.

https://youtu.be/UZE1N56fswY
 
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matbha

Well-known member
Apr 13, 2014
983
Have you met any? A friend of mine has been working in the camps giving medical treatment. She has heard their stories first hand.

Of course it's easy on a message board to generalise and say 'they're all the same'.
To be fair not all are here for help I have met many muslims over the years most thought 911 was fantastic and trying to have a debate about it is a no go they don't listen to criticism they are 200 years retarded **** em
 




griff9

Active member
Mar 17, 2009
199
brighton
Dr Yasir Qadhi explains the Banu Qurayza event using authentic hadith's like Sahih al-Bukhari.

He is an Islamic scholar who looks at Islam objectively, or as objectively as a Muslim can, without hiding anything. He says it as he reads it and without making excuses. It's a very interesting story in its own right, and he tells it well.

https://youtu.be/UZE1N56fswY

10 minutes in and this is interesting, but realised i quoted the wrong guys post!! :wozza:
 





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