The removal of Jeremy Corbyn.

Stumpy Tim · Jan 8, 2016

Blue Valkyrie said:
Me neither. I'm more Red Tory than Blue Labour, and although I voted labour last time, there is no one for me now.

And there lies the problem for Labour now. They've attracted a load of left-leaning students and the militant wing are back. Ed Milliband's voting rules have destroyed Labour unfortunately. The only alternative for me is the Lib Dems, and they appear to have accidentally elected a haddock as leader. The quicker the sensible Labour politicians join the Lib Dems en masse the better

alfredmizen · Jan 8, 2016

knocky1 said:
You're funnier than I thought.

You aren't , you try very hard , but your attempts at humour fall painfully flat, I dread to think how youre percieved in your local, do you find people make excuses to get away from you ?

JC Footy Genius · Jan 8, 2016

Stumpy Tim said:
I just don't see how this is a "fresh/different type of politics" either though. He's largely rid the front bench of the centre ground to quieten down dissent. There's nothing wrong with doing that by the way, but I don't see how Corbyn can claim he's into a new type of politics, yet is doing exactly what Blair did.

If anything, this is old politics. Labour have lurched to the left, and the Tories get to clean up. So those supporting Corbyn get ten years of Tories until they wake up & smell the coffee. As Blair said, this is politics "in which a traditional left-wing party competes with a traditional right-wing party, with the traditional result".

As someone from the centre-left I think it's a real shame. I don't feel there's a party that represents me anymore

As you rightly point out this different/new type of politics is nothing of the sort. As with any extreme wing of politics it's my way or the highway. Corbyn and his fellow travellers are attempting to silence dissenting voices after spending months telling us how much they respect open honest debate. A good example was Corbyn saying how much he welcomes discussion and argument on renewing Trident and set up a defence review to work out the best policy. In reality what did he do? Bring in Ken Livingstone a committed Unilateralist to jointly head the review then replace the Shadow defence secretary who was in favour of renewal with someone who wasn't .... new politics my arse!

Another tedious excuse for supporting the far left is being offered a 'genuine choice'. But in reality as your experience highlights millions of moderate left and centrist voters are being disenfranchised leaving the centre ground for the Tories. There is no choice if one party puts ideological dogma before electability the tories will always* be the lesser evil and win with increased majorities.

Which leads on to the principled man claim ... utter drivel. There is nothing principled in leading a party towards perpetual opposition abandoning the poorest and most vulnerable to a virtual one party tory state.

*If they stay near the centre ground

Gwylan · Jan 8, 2016

Stumpy Tim said:
And there lies the problem for Labour now. They've attracted a load of left-leaning students and the militant wing are back.

But they're not. The policy of the Socialist Party (Militant as was) is not to join the Labour Party so there's no entryism here. That's not to say some former Militant members won't join (I personally know one who has) but it's not policy to do so and there's no mass movement.

What has happened is that the centre of gravity has moved to the right so people to the left of it, who would have been regarded as mainstream Labour 20 or 30 years ago, are now seen as extremists

Stumpy Tim · Jan 8, 2016

Gwylan said:
But they're not. The policy of the Socialist Party (Militant as was) is not to join the Labour Party so there's no entryism here. That's not to say some former Militant members won't join (I personally know one who has) but it's not policy to do so and there's no mass movement.

What has happened is that the centre of gravity has moved to the right so people to the left of it, who would have been regarded as mainstream Labour 20 or 30 years ago, are now seen as extremists

I don't disagree - Labour 30 years ago were an absolute disaster though, and are now thoroughly discredited. Most people who joined Blair's New Labour movement are now looking elsewhere - that's a lot of voters that Labour will never attract with Corbyn leading the party

knocky1 · Jan 8, 2016

alfredmizen said:
You aren't , you try very hard , but your attempts at humour fall painfully flat, I dread to think how youre percieved in your local, do you find people make excuses to get away from you ?

You aren't. You try very hard but your attempts at humour fall painfully flat. I dread to think how you're perceived in your local. Do you find people make excuses to get away from you?

Edited for you. You do not have to fear full stops. Compare the two versions and learn how to write the English language correctly.

Dick Head · Jan 8, 2016

joeywortho said:
I am no Tory but where does gay marriage and the living wage fit into this narrative?

Living wage? Are you on at the Komedia tonight?

Leekbrookgull · Jan 8, 2016

Stumpy Tim said:
And there lies the problem for Labour now. They've attracted a load of left-leaning students and the militant wing are back. Ed Milliband's voting rules have destroyed Labour unfortunately. The only alternative for me is the Lib Dems, and they appear to have accidentally elected a haddock as leader. The quicker the sensible Labour politicians join the Lib Dems en masse the better

Can't see this happening Stumpy as you call it 'sensible Labour politicians' are IMHO not in the league of the likes of Roy Jenkins,David Owen and co when they formed the SDP.

Iggle Piggle · Jan 8, 2016

Agree with every word [MENTION=159]Stumpy Tim[/MENTION] has said on this thread. Only ever voted Labour but I never will whilst Jezza is in charge.

[MENTION=11928]vegster[/MENTION] is way off the mark for me. Cameron and the right wing press can't believe their luck. They'd be gutted, absolutely gutted, if Corbyn went. Cameron could shoot the poor, get caught rogering a cow and re-introduce Poll tax and still wipe the floor at the next election. Labour are unelectable at present

Hampster Gull · Jan 8, 2016

This labour leadership are clueless. And those who think the answer are the same

Stumpy Tim · Jan 9, 2016

Leekbrookgull said:
Can't see this happening Stumpy as you call it 'sensible Labour politicians' are IMHO not in the league of the likes of Roy Jenkins,David Owen and co when they formed the SDP.

You could be right. I seem to be the only one who really liked Liz Kendall, but she would need Cooper, Benn and others to follow her

Blue Valkyrie · Jan 9, 2016

Stumpy Tim said:
You could be right. I seem to be the only one who really liked Liz Kendall, but she would need Cooper, Benn and others to follow her

Liz Kendall was my top pick for leader.

Hampster Gull · Jan 9, 2016

Liz Kendall is a right wing facist

Herr Tubthumper · Jan 9, 2016

Hampster Gull said:
Liz Kendall is a right wing facist

Blue labour (joke)

The Antikythera Mechanism · Jan 9, 2016

alfredmizen · Jan 9, 2016

knocky1 said:
Edited for you. You do not have to fear full stops. Compare the two versions and learn how to write the English language correctly.

As i previously said , your attempts at ''humour'' fail, painfully.

BadFish · Jan 9, 2016

GingerBeerMan said:
I don't understand how someone standing to improve the country for the majority of the population gets so much resistance? It's the same as Bernie Sanders in America. Big businesses are taking the absolute piss, a lot of the international ones barely pay tax, the Tories have passed countless laws which disadvantage disabled/homeless/less well off people yet people sit here critising Corbyn who is a proper MP that we've been crying out for for years and who is genuinely trying to affect social change in the country.

Agree,

I think you can blame the media for this.

Tom Hark Preston Park · Jan 9, 2016

Leekbrookgull said:
Have to post this,however with a number of threads on J/C and Labour on what,s good and bad no one has actually suggested how to remove him if they wanted to. Whether you like it or not J/C would win a re-vote due to the new membership. So how do you remove him ? As for me i voted ?

If the Labour Party were to remove J/C, then it would also mean losing the vast majority of the new/renewed members of the party who joined/rejoined the party purely due to J/C being elected as leader.

Hampster Gull · Jan 9, 2016

Quote Originally Posted by GingerBeerMan View Post
"I don't understand how someone standing to improve the country for the majority of the population gets so much resistance? "

Because his economics is clueless. He wants to drag us bacl to the 70's, i suspect happy memories for him but disastrous for the majority of the population.

Tom Hark Preston Park · Jan 9, 2016

GingerBeerMan said:
I don't understand how someone standing to improve the country for the majority of the population gets so much resistance? It's the same as Bernie Sanders in America. Big businesses are taking the absolute piss, a lot of the international ones barely pay tax, the Tories have passed countless laws which disadvantage disabled/homeless/less well off people yet people sit here critising Corbyn who is a proper MP that we've been crying out for for years and who is genuinely trying to affect social change in the country.

The huge increase in Labour Party new/renewed members since Corbyn's election as leader speaks for itself and how far the Labour Party had come adrift for the people it was supposed to represent.

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