Ha ha, you took the bait, I was only joking, best we both move on ............ I can see the nerdy gang has turned up !!
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- Thread starter The Clown of Pevensey Bay
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Ha ha, you took the bait, I was only joking, best we both move on ............ I can see the nerdy gang has turned up !!
Bait? I thought I didn't hang around long enough for a fight, and now it seems you want to move on. More drivel dressed up as intellectual superiority from you then - who'd have thought it?
Of course the electoral college is not hidden, everyone understands the process at the beginning. However that does not make it right. Democracy is equal votes per person, the electoral college does not give that.
Yes, I understand how it works. The reason Californian and Texan votes are worth less is because their electoral college always ends with the same result, democrat and republican respectively. An extra vote for either in these states is not worth the same as an extra vote in a swing state like Florida. That is undemocratic. Florida has been won by margins of less than six points in every election since 1996 (which is as far back as I can find).
Why do you think Clinton and Trump prioritised campaigning in Florida and the rust belt states? Because those votes are more important. Therefore those votes ARE worth more. They must be, because Trump won with less votes than Clinton, that cannot happen unless some votes are worth more than others.
A very high opinion of yourself. Bordering on smug.
W.C.
New member
- Oct 31, 2011
- 4,927
Clever you, you found another youtube video.
W.C.
New member
- Oct 31, 2011
- 4,927
But you hate the gays Looney, must have irked you.
crookie
Well-known member
Same as the 400+ odd safe seats at a GE in the UK. Most of our votes are wasted too, and we know it before we even vote.
Indeed. Living in Mid Sussex and Arundel / South Downs constituencies most of my adult life, my vote has been a waste of time pretty much every time I've used it.
brightn'ove
cringe
Grow up
How did you deduce from my post, which was childish at best, as dressed up 'as intellectual superiority' ?
I'll try.
I firmly believe that you can fit quicker than a Kwik FIt fitter.
There. I've said it.
symyjym
Banned
The problem is that we have been brought up to believe that Russia is the enemy, and the US are using Europe as a base in their psychological imaginary war with them. Does anyone really believe that Russia wants to invade Europe let alone nuke us?
Russia has been forced into the Middle East by the West because we destabilised a country which is a partner to it. For some stupid reason the west expected Assad to hand over his military, supplied by Russia, to Sunni Wahhabists. For the last 15 years the west has caused far more problems in the world than Russia has.
It’s not Russia flexing its muscle as a display of strength, it is in Syria as a duty, on principle, and within international law. Syria has been invaded by mercenaries from the very start of the so called civil war, later understood to be a failed coup plotted by the US, UK, France, Turkey and Sunni state backers. I don't see Russia as the problem in Syria.
I expect Trump to not engage with, or supply weapons to the Sunni Wahhabists rebels in Syria and will certainly not raise their false hopes which has motivated them so far.
At the end of the day the Middle East is on Russia’s doorstep, not the US’s, and it is on Europe’s doorstep too. Trump will align with Russia in Syria, and I believe Europe should do too, rather than warmonger from the sidelines as we have been for the last five years.
I think you have a slightly pessimistic view on the future and I don’t see any disadvantage with having closer ties with Russia economically and on Middle East policy.
JCL666
absurdism
- Sep 23, 2011
- 2,190
this is an interesting read.
https://medium.com/@theonlytoby/his...ext-with-brexit-trump-a3fefd154714#.z1xicm9ih
https://medium.com/@theonlytoby/his...ext-with-brexit-trump-a3fefd154714#.z1xicm9ih
highflyer
Well-known member
- Jan 21, 2016
- 2,435
When Trump thought Mitt Romney had won the popular vote (disclaimer - I picked this up from the internet so there is a possibility it may not be real)
Everyone has the right to protest and there is plenty to protest about with regard to having Trump as your President elect without having to dispute the outcome of the election. He has admitted to sexual assault, refused to release his tax returns, boasted about his tax avoidance and lied, lied and lied again to win this election. I find the election results scary, partly because of the implications of Trump in the White house and where that may end up (Hitler also obtained power via a democratic process) but also because the way he got here has undermined so many of the values that enable a liberal democracy to work. And that does not bode well for the future. I suspect all will be well in the end, but America just took a massive massive risk in my view.
Everyone has the right to protest and there is plenty to protest about with regard to having Trump as your President elect without having to dispute the outcome of the election. He has admitted to sexual assault, refused to release his tax returns, boasted about his tax avoidance and lied, lied and lied again to win this election. I find the election results scary, partly because of the implications of Trump in the White house and where that may end up (Hitler also obtained power via a democratic process) but also because the way he got here has undermined so many of the values that enable a liberal democracy to work. And that does not bode well for the future. I suspect all will be well in the end, but America just took a massive massive risk in my view.
Tom Hark Preston Park
Will Post For Cash
- Jul 6, 2003
- 70,350
It really IS a mirror image of post-Brexit vote times ten. Or maybe times a hundred. Same currency crash when the big bucks FX gamblers cash in, followed by the inevitable rebound and subsequent volatility. Same Diana Moment hysteria with precious souls vowing to flee to Canada/Australia (they won't). Same 'Not In My Name' hashtags and city marches. Same 'all pollsters are wankers'. Same embittered social media onslaught for the foreseeable from the losing side. Same sense is that democracy is great as long as your side wins. And then life resumes pretty much as normal. Seriously, you have to laugh or else you'd CRY.
symyjym
Banned
Nise arse
JCL666
absurdism
- Sep 23, 2011
- 2,190
This is a bit longer but also very interesting.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/04/america-tyranny-donald-trump.html
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/04/america-tyranny-donald-trump.html
GOM
living vicariously
There are different forms of democracy. It is also quite feasible that the same could happen in this country, with the winning party securing less votes than the losing party.
Their electoral college is actually quite similar to our system, except we call ours constituencies, and they call their's states. Winner takes all in either a constituency or a state.
Also we have a few swing constituencies as well that the parties concentrate on.
So all in all not that dissimilar
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Megazone
On his last warning
Actually, I've proven this to be true and I believe my ability is a natural gift which I believe I'm truly blessed with.
One day, you too will be able to perform similar divine skills. Just keep following the master my young maestro.
There. I've spoken. Remember this. You will go far and one day humour will be at your presence.
highflyer
Well-known member
- Jan 21, 2016
- 2,435
I voted remain but was pretty sanguine about the result (well - compared to most around me anyway). I thought it was a bit stupid and embarrassing of us, but the world wasn't going to end as a result and could understand why it had happened.
I am genuinely scared by the possible implications of Trump in the White house.
I happen to believe climate change is real, just for starters.