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If there was a second Brexit referendum how would you vote?

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Thunder Bolt

Thunder Bolt

Silly old bat
Aug 18, 2009
65,440
Beside the seaside, beside the sea
larus said:
My ex gf was a midwife in London and she said the opposite. She said there’s also an issue with people coming to the country to get medical care and then going back home. I think I’d take her first-hand frontline experience as being more accurate.
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I understand there is a problem near Heathrow airport although women are not supposed to fly after seven months, but that's up the hospital to take the money.
It still doesn't cost as much as 8 million people who can't be bothered to turn up for their appointments. £1 billion.

Health tourism between £110M and £280M.
https://fullfact.org/health/health-tourists-how-much-do-they-cost-and-who-pays/

Foreign students at our universities paying full fees are entitled to free health and the figures are included in the totals.
 




Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's tackle

Harry Wilson's Tackle
NSC Patron
Oct 8, 2003
49,927
Faversham
The Clamp said:
A referendum isn't legally binding no matter how many times the Brexiteers say it is. The government is elected by the people to act in our best interests. Our government has stated Brexit is not in our best interests but carries on anyway because they are too afraid to counter the supposed "will of the people". I would like to think one day our government will be held to account for what they are doing but they never do, do they.
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This is correct. However both tory and labour have committed to honour the result. I think this is foolish (as I explained a while ago), but it is fact. Fact. We will leave with whatever deal the tories can muster, or with no deal (the one or other decided by parliamentary vote). Yes this is complete madness, and part of me thinks that when the offer is revealed parliament will say FFS no. However this won't happen. The tories are a mix of brexiteers and honourable folk who think the will of the people cannot be usurped. Some are one and the same. Labour is lead by a Brexiteer, content to do nothing and let it happen. The remainers are a rump of seething metrosexuals, without even a bit of wind to piss into. So it will happen. I am a remainer by the way. Not bitter, and not personally bothered because the outcome simply won't affect me.

I don't think there is much juice left in this thread, other than re-releases and dance remixes. Plus, half the posts are unreadable to me because they are written by various cocks who I've blocked. :lolol: Anyway....I'll pop back later I expect, just to check on the direction of bile flow, and to see if anyone I haven't yet blocked has come up with a novel insult. I'll offer you legophilitwat - someone who likes to build imaginary arguments from small bits of childrens' plastic.
 


Two Professors

Two Professors

Two Mad Professors
Jul 13, 2009
7,617
Multicultural Brum
bashlsdir said:
Sounds like Luton :lolol:
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Nah,we've get a better class of witch doctor here.The Luton ones have fake qualifications from Pakistan Universities.:lolol:
 


Two Professors

Two Professors

Two Mad Professors
Jul 13, 2009
7,617
Multicultural Brum
Thunder Bolt said:
There's quite a few although not as many as Birmingham. I have previously lived in the north, and had no problem there either. In fact, I got better referrals to the specialists up there, than I have to the Sussex County here.
Immigrants do not cause a problem to the NHS.
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May not cause a problem in your little bubble with no waiting to see a GP.We have over 50,000 immigrant women of child-bearing age in East Birmingham alone who can't speak a word of English.Just trying to find out what is wrong with them blocks up the system,translators struggling to cope with the different dialects.Because of their culture,they can only have a doctor from their branch of islam who must be chaperoned.The list goes on and on,and I bet you don't have that sort of problem.What you experience doesn't mean the rest of the country is the same.
 


Two Professors

Two Professors

Two Mad Professors
Jul 13, 2009
7,617
Multicultural Brum
Perhaps all the posters with people on ignore could be excluded from the thread.It could then be closed as only Brexiteers would be left!:lolol:
 






larus

larus

Well-known member
Jul 7, 2003
6,580
In the land of hope and expectation....
Thunder Bolt said:
I understand there is a problem near Heathrow airport although women are not supposed to fly after seven months, but that's up the hospital to take the money.
It still doesn't cost as much as 8 million people who can't be bothered to turn up for their appointments. £1 billion.

Health tourism between £110M and £280M.
https://fullfact.org/health/health-tourists-how-much-do-they-cost-and-who-pays/

Foreign students at our universities paying full fees are entitled to free health and the figures are included in the totals.
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Yes, but health tourism is part of it. If you read my post I said that my ex gf said the opposite to you (in terms of immigrants and NHS demand). I then said that there was ALSO a problem with health tourism.

The main issue is with the increase in the population over the last 10-15 years as it’s grown circa 8m people. That’s approx 12% increase and these people will be using the NHS, schools, etc. I’m not saying they are free-loading, the point is the infrastructure isn’t there - it takes time to build it all and has to be done by borrowing.
 


Herr Tubthumper

Herr Tubthumper

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Jul 11, 2003
59,492
The Fatherland
larus said:
My ex gf was a midwife in London and she said the opposite. She said there’s also an issue with people coming to the country to get medical care and then going back home. I think I’d take her first-hand frontline experience as being more accurate.
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How do they know this though? As has been previously discussed there is no register for EU citizens resident in the U.K. , so how does your ex know who’s a resident and who is a tourist? What’s the definition of a citizen?
 




Baldseagull

Baldseagull

Well-known member
Jan 26, 2012
10,944
Crawley
JC Footy Genius said:
Or maybe not ...

Forecast of Brexit job losses from City of London drops by half

https://news.sky.com/story/forecast-of-brexit-job-losses-from-city-of-london-drops-by-half-11306851

Adding it to my LIST... recession, planes grounded, cancer drugs availability, an exodus from the City :rolleyes:
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My reply was in regards to the value of Euro clearing, whether it is done here or elsewhere, it requires large numbers of well payed jobs, Larus said "Euro clearing is in reality, a small amount trade/profit for the City." my point is that as far as job numbers go, it is large, even if the profit is low.

But, so as not to ignore your point around grounded planes, cancer drugs and city exodus, I will gladly say that all those are unlikely, as long as you are happy to say that we will likely be subject to EU law, even if we have the chirade of voting on it in UK parliament, and that we will make contributions to the EU budget. The fact is, the closer we stay to the EU, the less likely the big potential problems are, walking away from the table, with no deal, as was being advocated early on, makes the problems you think are far fetched, very real.
 


Baldseagull

Baldseagull

Well-known member
Jan 26, 2012
10,944
Crawley
Two Professors said:
May not cause a problem in your little bubble with no waiting to see a GP.We have over 50,000 immigrant women of child-bearing age in East Birmingham alone who can't speak a word of English.Just trying to find out what is wrong with them blocks up the system,translators struggling to cope with the different dialects.Because of their culture,they can only have a doctor from their branch of islam who must be chaperoned.The list goes on and on,and I bet you don't have that sort of problem.What you experience doesn't mean the rest of the country is the same.
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Shhhh, JCFG and Pastafairy like to pretend it wasn't about immigration
 


larus

larus

Well-known member
Jul 7, 2003
6,580
In the land of hope and expectation....
Herr Tubthumper said:
How do they know this though? As has been previously discussed there is no register for EU citizens resident in the U.K. , so how does your ex know who’s a resident and who is a tourist? What’s the definition of a citizen?
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Well, they will have to give name, address, GP etc, so I think those working the front-line would have a reassemble idea, but thank you for the question. I don’t see her anymore so I can’t get chapter and verse for you.

Maybe you’d like to adopt the same level of investigative questions to [MENTION=33848]The Clamp[/MENTION] and why he thinks we’re in a recession. Or why [MENTION=15360]nicko31[/MENTION] thinks we’re in the Eurozone. After all, I’d hate anyone to think that you choose to ignore facts when it suits you ;lol:
 




larus

larus

Well-known member
Jul 7, 2003
6,580
In the land of hope and expectation....
Baldseagull said:
My reply was in regards to the value of Euro clearing, whether it is done here or elsewhere, it requires large numbers of well payed jobs, Larus said "Euro clearing is in reality, a small amount trade/profit for the City." my point is that as far as job numbers go, it is large, even if the profit is low.

But, so as not to ignore your point around grounded planes, cancer drugs and city exodus, I will gladly say that all those are unlikely, as long as you are happy to say that we will likely be subject to EU law, even if we have the chirade of voting on it in UK parliament, and that we will make contributions to the EU budget. The fact is, the closer we stay to the EU, the less likely the big potential problems are, walking away from the table, with no deal, as was being advocated early on, makes the problems you think are far fetched, very real.
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Well, your reply to my post which was about the City in general stated “tens of thousands”. Now, they are talking about 5,000 jobs.

Let’s assume (being kind) that you only meant 30,000, you’ve only inflated the 5,000 by a factor of 6. With maths like that you could get a job as shadow chancellor of shadow Home Secretary.
 


JC Footy Genius

JC Footy Genius

Bringer of TRUTH
Jun 9, 2015
10,568
Baldseagull said:
My reply was in regards to the value of Euro clearing, whether it is done here or elsewhere, it requires large numbers of well payed jobs, Larus said "Euro clearing is in reality, a small amount trade/profit for the City." my point is that as far as job numbers go, it is large, even if the profit is low.

But, so as not to ignore your point around grounded planes, cancer drugs and city exodus, I will gladly say that all those are unlikely, as long as you are happy to say that we will likely be subject to EU law, even if we have the chirade of voting on it in UK parliament, and that we will make contributions to the EU budget. The fact is, the closer we stay to the EU, the less likely the big potential problems are, walking away from the table, with no deal, as was being advocated early on, makes the problems you think are far fetched, very real.
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Fair enough but many people have been talking up an exodus.

Depends what you mean by 'subject to'. Will the ECJ have ongoing primacy after we leave/transition phase ends .. (temporary - citizens deal aside). Will we be paying Billions every year ... . Will the UK parliament and law have primacy .. . Will EU citizens face new immigration restrictions .. The talking up of impending doom and problems has been continuous no matter the state of negotiations. I suppose claiming we have surrendered or haven't really left is the only position left for people who have spent months/years forecasting doom.

PS no mention of recession ... finally given up forecasting a Brexit recession?
 


pastafarian

pastafarian

Well-known member
Sep 4, 2011
11,902
Sussex
Baldseagull said:
Shhhh, JCFG and Pastafairy like to pretend it wasn't about immigration
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No need to lie is there.
I cant remember ever saying (or JCFG saying) Brexit wasnt about immigration.Immigration was a huge contributing factor.
The only people ive heard deny it are remoaners(not the same as remainers) who come out with little gems like free movement wasnt on the ballot whilst at the same time contradicting themselves by calling leavers racists and xenophobes.
 














Herr Tubthumper

Herr Tubthumper

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Jul 11, 2003
59,492
The Fatherland
larus said:
Well, they will have to give name, address, GP etc, so I think those working the front-line would have a reassemble idea, but thank you for the question. I don’t see her anymore so I can’t get chapter and verse for you.
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And just like there’s no residency register there’s no obligation to register with a GP. And adresses don’t prove you’re a resident or otherwise. I don’t understand how she can tell between tourists and residents. I think she’s been making assumptions.
 




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