Moshe Gariani
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- Mar 10, 2005
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Good post. I am no expert but this analysis is roughly what I believe.
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As an aside I once saw a kid at an airport dressed as a spaceman complete with helmet. I have lived a longish life and I cannot think of many things better than this. That's one way to liven up air travel.
pearl
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perhaps we should actually ask/listen to how children/teenagers feel, it's their world after all
God I miss the 80’s
The Large One
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The point I'm making is he is using hyperbole based upon a factual error to underline his case. He might passionately argue his point - good for him, but in this case it highlights (and attempts to make up for) the lack of strength in his central argument.
A good argument has its basis in true fact. From there, discussion can be had - even when opposing sides both have their arguments based in true fact. Added to the notion he believes 'sex' and 'gender' are one and the same, his arguments look flimsier as they go on.
BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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Nah, really we should hark back to our own childhoods and assume that anything different to our nostalgia and time biased recollections is part of the fracturing of society or the left wing conspiracy designed to turn us into snowflakes.
Its much easier than trying to understand something.
The Large One
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And those who haven't are the ones creating the bigger problem.
BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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Back when men were men and women were women 
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=...iLwKHUE5ByUQ_AUICigB&biw=1070&bih=542&dpr=1.1
spring hall convert
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Or make an effort to talk to trans people about their experiences and see if there is anything we can learn individually and collectively.
Far easier to just stay scared though, I guess.
The Large One
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Really? Tricky to miss the 1980s when you're still there.
It's probably easier for us to deal with that sort of choice of an adult, because we know they've gone through puberty and as an adult reached this decision with knowledge and a lot of thought. I think it's harder for us to understand if it's a child, as I wouldn't be confident a child knows their own body or understands their place in society as well.In our company, there is a lady who wants to be called by the male equivalent of their name, because thats what they've requested how they want to be treated.
Doesn't really make any difference to me.
Publius Ovidius
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Absolutely, sorry I misread your post.
There is a move to do more training, but we all know budgets are tight and it is all about perceived priorities
Is that definitely what happened, not a bit of artistic license?
pearl
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spring hall convert
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It's hard isn't it? These things are. What I will say is that the trans people I know well have known since very early childhood and have tried to live straight, then gay before finally addressing it. Despite the widespread discrimination (because as this thread and recent press demonstrate it is still socially acceptable to be transphobic in way it isn't to be homophobic or racist) they all report being immeasurably happier living as the opposite gender pre or post op.
Now that is just a handful of people's experiences and obviously there are a range of different stories out there. What's a phase and what isn't etc? There's a lot of questions but we're not going to get to the bottom of them if we have some trans Clause 28 as a significant minority of this thread would appear to approve of.
I suppose the reason I personally feel so strongly on this one was it was a prejudice that I had to work though and the only real way you do that is by interacting with people, just putting up the shutters helps no one.
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This is all rather over the top. Thank fully life has changed. I dont know anybody that wouldnt show acceptance to anybody whatever colour,gender sexuality. What on earth do I buy children at Christmas. Sounds like its best to stick to vouchers so my nephew can buy a dolls house
This is a really interesting article I think, for those saying that men are wet and feminised, here is just some of the damage to society for teaching men to be aggresive, alpha dominant types- https://www.theguardian.com/money/2...y-men-cant-ditch-the-baggage-of-being-a-bloke
'Suicide is a predominantly male tragedy (a man takes his life every minute somewhere in the world). Ditto gambling, drug overdoses, rough sleeping or just disappearing. Rape, murder, terrorism, war, people trafficking and domestic violence: all are predominantly masculine disgraces. Wherever you go in the world, men always make up more than 90% of jail populations. Flick through today’s newspaper and the chances are it will be full of all the bad things that men are doing. Of course, recent weeks have been dominated by sexual harassment, but this is just the tip of the iceberg. Mass shootings and sickening murders, not to mention terror attacks and the brutality of war'
'Suicide is a predominantly male tragedy (a man takes his life every minute somewhere in the world). Ditto gambling, drug overdoses, rough sleeping or just disappearing. Rape, murder, terrorism, war, people trafficking and domestic violence: all are predominantly masculine disgraces. Wherever you go in the world, men always make up more than 90% of jail populations. Flick through today’s newspaper and the chances are it will be full of all the bad things that men are doing. Of course, recent weeks have been dominated by sexual harassment, but this is just the tip of the iceberg. Mass shootings and sickening murders, not to mention terror attacks and the brutality of war'
pearl
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I would be confident they know it more than I do
Not sure where what you know comes into it. Kids don't know what it means to be a man or woman, so while they might identify more as a boy or girl, I'm concerned that they can't really understand the implications of swapping from one to the other at such a young age.
