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Southern Rail STRIKE details
- Thread starter Ernest
- Start date
- Aug 7, 2003
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Whatever happened to bus conductors? They had to look after passengers going up and down hill, around corners and even when it was cold and snowing. And buses were open at the back so there was the risk of falling off.
Or cart horses ploughing fields
Tony Meolas Loan Spell
Slut Faced Whores
They are in force on Thameslink trains...not so much southern
Tony Meolas Loan Spell
Slut Faced Whores
Basically its the modern day equivalent of luddites. FACT.
Tony Meolas Loan Spell
Slut Faced Whores
I have no problem with that.
Tony Meolas Loan Spell
Slut Faced Whores
They should actually lose their job. Or find another one. I'm serious. If I went on strike my company would sack me. Rightly so.
- Aug 7, 2003
- 7,799
Still happens in countries with peasant farmers. (Might use oxen or old grannies depending on location)
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So no trains at all in the recruiting and training and assessing period [emoji38]ol:
Tony Meolas Loan Spell
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An excellent point sir.
And something that really needs to be addressed as far as the infrastructure of the country is concerned (transport being one) there needs to be a separate apolitical body that has a 25 year mandate to sort all this stuff out, set this body in law so whatever government can set budgets but has no influence in how it runs day to day and certainly none of this shortermism. Any profit is ploughed back into the infrastructure. I say that as a more righty than lefty but it makes sense to me.
Tony Meolas Loan Spell
Slut Faced Whores
It'll solve 90% of the problems when a guard isn't there and train can't ****ing move because the unions stop it from going even though it could. I lose count of the amount of times that's happened at Vic/LB. Of course if a driver isnt about there isnt alot you can do. But I tell you this 90% its "can the guard contact the driver" on the tannoy.
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Exactly this. It is this dinosaur Union playing hardball on an argument it knows it cannot win. The company has made a decision to change it's processes, which, on the face of it do not have any impact on the day-to-day journey's of the vast majority of customers - yet because they don't agree, the RMT are dragging the customers into it.
Let's not sugar-coat this, Govia are clearly a long-way from an ideal employer - and the franchise system of operating the railways is fundamentally flawed, and almost universally discredited by pretty much everybody except the government and the train companies. However, that does not excuse the RMT for absolutely refusing to accept change and the roles of the employees, simply to make a point, and to I daresay, make themselves relevant again. Their arguments for not accepting this change are at spurious at best, and it is absolutely clear they could not give a shit about the impact it is having on customers.
RMT and it's leadership are scum, stuck in the past, and fast proving that point. On that basis, I hope the public see them for what they are sooner rather than later, because they only winner in this situation is Govia, and that's not good for anybody.
Tony Meolas Loan Spell
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The Albion Roar
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Their argument is actually crystal clear and extremely valid - but lost in the white noise the the government and media wish to portray about them. Unbelievably, some passengers / customers are tying the government's / GTR's behaviour with the dispute. They are, by and large, separate issues - but the government's tame press telling people that the farcical timetables are down to excessive staff sickness is now a very poor joke.
The point of still having the RMT (or any union) is still vital, lest the likes of the government's / GTR's running of the trains be allowed to continue totally unopposed. Take away the union and the concerns of the GTR staff (the passenger groups are basically being ignored by GTR here), and that's what you've got.
That said, the RMT's leadership is playing a bit of a dumb game here, falling into GTR's trap. The strikes in themselves serve little purpose, and more imagination is required.
Passenger safety?
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To re-iterate, the RMT is prepared to accept DOO on London-Brighton services.
It's the East Coast (Brighton to Eastbourne / Hastings) and West Coast (Brighton to Worthing / Chichester / Portsmouth) services which the RMT is most concerned about. SASTA intends to put DOO in across the entire network (aside from the London-Uckfield line, we're told), even though the stations along those lines don't have the neessary technology to safely allow the driver to make the call as to when to close the doors. Nor do SASTA (who run those stations) have any intention on putting that technology in.
Unless, of course, the drivers do what the TOCs own safety reports suggests - leave the cab, and check down the platforms themselves.
It's a separate issue, but dwell times on the stations will increase (even 1 min per station has a knock-on effect), leading to further delays and cancellations back down the line.