Jacob Rees Mogg

midnight_rendezvous · Sep 14, 2017

dingodan said:
He said that the charitable spirit of food banks is 'rather uplifting'.

It is.

OP it almost sounds like you would have people believe that JRM was saying that people needing foodbanks is 'rather uplifting'.

The difference between those two sentiments is night and day, and this is why I really really dislike todays liberals. Because you are more than happy to twist a persons words in order to besmirch their character. You feel no shame in pretending that a decent person, whose politics you disagree with, is infact a bad person.

So ugly.

I agreed with you until you implied that twisting the words of individuals was a liberal trait. I think you'll find that twisting someone's words to fit an agenda is very much present on both sides of the political spectrum (see every article the Daily Mail, The Sun and The Express have ever printed about Corbyn).

Two Professors · Sep 14, 2017

One of my very first memories is going to the food bank at the Territorial Army hall.Only in those days,everybody went.It was called post-war rationing ,but people forget about things that doesn't impact on them,just like 15% mortgage rates.

ManOfSussex · Sep 14, 2017

Buzzer said:
Any comments from him about food banks are going to upset people and I think rightly so.

Unfortunate inadvertent comments though or deliberate for the purposes of the attention they bring? The cynic in me says the latter.

dingodan · Sep 14, 2017

darkwolf666 said:
Absolve governments of all blame, as a charity will step up and do their work for them.

Charity = the peoples money given voluntarily.

Government = the peoples money taken by force.

Nobody is celebrating the need for foodbanks, but where there is a need, and that need is being met by the kindness of people, that is a good thing, not a bad thing.

Triggaaar · Sep 14, 2017

He sounds posh, let's lynch him!

Buzzer · Sep 14, 2017

ManOfSussex said:
Unfortunate inadvertent comments though or deliberate for the purposes of the attention they bring? The cynic in me says the latter.

I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. I genuinely don't think the bloke is like how you suspect.

JC Footy Genius · Sep 14, 2017

Class War!

portslade seagull · Sep 14, 2017

dingodan said:
He said that the charitable spirit of food banks is 'rather uplifting'.

It is.

OP it almost sounds like you would have people believe that JRM was saying that people needing foodbanks is 'rather uplifting'.

The difference between those two sentiments is night and day, and this is why I really really dislike todays liberals. Because you are more than happy to twist a persons words in order to besmirch their character. You feel no shame in pretending that a decent person, whose politics you disagree with, is infact a bad person.

So ugly.

Agree dingodan. Well said

DavidinSouthampton · Sep 14, 2017

dingodan said:
He said that the charitable spirit of food banks is 'rather uplifting'.

It is.

OP it almost sounds like you would have people believe that JRM was saying that people needing foodbanks is 'rather uplifting'.

The difference between those two sentiments is night and day, and this is why I really really dislike todays liberals. Because you are more than happy to twist a persons words in order to besmirch their character. You feel no shame in pretending that a decent person, whose politics you disagree with, is infact a bad person.

So ugly.

It is good to think there are people out there who are happy to help people in need. But they are mostly, if not all, faith-based, and the vast amjority of people who help run them would, I am sure, prefer that they did not need to exist.

And talking of faith, while Mr Rees-Mogg uses his Catholic Faith to bolster his views about abortion, same-sex marriage and the like, he seems to ignore everything that is included in that faith about helping the poor, which his party seems intent on grinding in to the ground,or peace-making or whatever else there is that his faith really should dictate he reverses his opinions.

I share an alma mater with Mr Rees-Mogg - Trinity College, Oxford. I think he is the worst of what that University can turn out.

Bozza · Sep 14, 2017

dingodan said:
He said that the charitable spirit of food banks is 'rather uplifting'.

It is.

OP it almost sounds like you would have people believe that JRM was saying that people needing foodbanks is 'rather uplifting'.

The difference between those two sentiments is night and day, and this is why I really really dislike todays liberals. Because you are more than happy to twist a persons words in order to besmirch their character. You feel no shame in pretending that a decent person, whose politics you disagree with, is infact a bad person.

So ugly.

Indeed. The twisting is the ugly thing here, not what was said.

What JRM said was correct (it is uplifting that people want to help others), but it's also correct that he should stay away from the subject completely as it allows a free hit to the likes of the Guardian and those that gulp down their headlines.

I can only begin to imagine the glee of the Tory haters as they were led to believe that JRM reckons the existence of food banks is uplifting.

Two Professors · Sep 14, 2017

Perhaps we should take note of how a socialist government is not frightened of innovation when it comes to food poverty.

dingodan · Sep 14, 2017

midnight_rendezvous said:
I agreed with you until you implied that twisting the words of individuals was a liberal trait. I think you'll find that twisting someone's words to fit an agenda is very much present on both sides of the political spectrum (see every article the Daily Mail, The Sun and The Express have ever printed about Corbyn).

I honestly don't think I have ever heard anyone suggest that JC is a bad person. Seriously I cannot think of one occassion. Misguided, yes, wrong, yes, but never ever a bad person with bad motives or bad intentions.

Just yesterday I read through an entire thread on here jam packed full of suggestions that Theresa May is a bad, uncaring, unkind person. Not that she is wrong, not that her politics are to be challenged, but that she is a bad person of bad character.

It's done because if you can claim someone is just simply a bad person, then you can dismiss what they say without the need to deal with their argument. It's lazy and it's ugly.

knocky1 · Sep 14, 2017

Two Professors said:
One of my very first memories is going to the food bank at the Territorial Army hall.Only in those days,everybody went.It was called post-war rationing ,but people forget about things that doesn't impact on them,just like 15% mortgage rates.

Not many of us are approaching 70 years old and have not experienced war rationing. It's not that we've forgotten.

junior · Sep 14, 2017

darkwolf666 said:
Read the link in post 4 - you will be enlightened and hopefully embarrassed (assuming you are a Tory voter)!

Nope, i don't vote and i don't have a political persuasion. I comment on any political posts with the same impartiality.

knocky1 · Sep 14, 2017

junior said:
Nope, i don't vote and i don't have a political persuasion. I comment on any political posts with the same impartiality.

It is not easy being non partisan. One slip and you've made a political judgment, that you may not be aware of.

ManOfSussex · Sep 14, 2017

dingodan said:
I honestly don't think I have ever heard anyone suggest that JC is a bad person. Seriously I cannot think of one occassion. Misguided, yes, wrong, yes, but never ever a bad person with bad motives or bad intentions.

Just yesterday I read through an entire thread on here jam packed full of suggestions that Theresa May is a bad, uncaring, unkind person. Not that she is wrong, not that her politics are to be challenged, but that she is a bad person of bad character.

It's done because if you can claim someone is just simply a bad person, then you can dismiss what they say without the need to deal with their argument. It's lazy and it's ugly.

So a thread with an OP like this, in which Corbyn is Marxist with henchmen doesn't count then? - http://www.northstandchat.com/showt...-were-called-to-account&highlight=corbyn+evil

Or a front-page headline like this from a newspaper about Corbyn?

I've lost count of the names I've seen Corbyn called on here. I'm not saying it's right, and personally I cannot stand Rees-Mogg, but it cuts both ways I'm afraid.

GreersElbow · Sep 14, 2017

I don't like the bloke, but it is uplifting that people rally to help their community's most vulnerable when the government aught to

dingodan · Sep 14, 2017

ManOfSussex said:
So a thread with an OP like this, in which Corbyn is Marxist with henchmen doesn't count then? - http://www.northstandchat.com/showt...-were-called-to-account&highlight=corbyn+evil

Or a front-page headline like this from a newspaper about Corbyn?

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I've lost count of the names I've seen Corbyn called on here. I'm not saying it's right, and personally I cannot stand Rees-Mogg, but it cuts both ways I'm afraid.

Not really, that's an ugly front page (I don't read the Sun so I hadn't seen it), and I'm not claiming JC gets treated with kid gloves, far from it. But the attacks against JC seem to me to always be focused on policy, even that front page, ugly as it is. Conservatives often get accused of selfishness, caring about the rich and having contempt for the poor, things which go beyond criticisms of policy and enter the realm of impugning a persons character and claiming to be able to see into their soul. It's a subtle difference, but there is a difference.

drew · Sep 14, 2017

junior said:
Nope, i don't vote and i don't have a political persuasion. I comment on any political posts with the same impartiality.

If it looks like a tory, smells like a tory and talks like a tory then it's a logical conclusion that it is a tory, whether or not said 'tory' puts a cross in the box!

jakarta · Sep 14, 2017

I wonder how many have actually listened to the Nick Ferrari interview on LBC this morning.

It was quite clear (to me ) that he applauded the concept of charitable Food Banks and the people that donated/organised them.

I don't recall at any point he said they were a replacement for Government action to sort out why people need them.

Still, he is a posh bloke with a double-barrelled name, best pile in.

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