mikeyjh
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Quite - Death penalty for burglary, really? What next, a good shoeing for a 10 year old caught shoplifting? Maybe if that happened to a relative of some posters it would give them some sense of reality.
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[News] Hither Green 'burglar' stabbing: Man, 78, arrested
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Quite - Death penalty for burglary, really? What next, a good shoeing for a 10 year old caught shoplifting? Maybe if that happened to a relative of some posters it would give them some sense of reality.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Beneficial for the coroners court. There will have to be an inquest into the death. The coroners court requires evidence to conclude the verdict. The police had to follow due process, to get the evidence, forensics and establish the cause of death.
The victim had to be questioned under caution, or in the state of shock, he could have blurted out something like, Well he was going to burst out the back door so I wanted to stop him.
I doubt that happened but it could have. That would be manslaughter. If the burglar was stabbed in the back, it could be manslaughter.
As it turns out, all the evidence leads to the victim being attacked, afraid for his life, and he defended himself.
It's all so simple sitting here and chatting about it, but criminal investigations are never simple, and despite your thoughts, not all police lie or lead you up the garden path to set you up. Interviews are recorded as well, and they now use bodycams to protect themselves from false allegations.
m20gull
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His family are displaying plenty of anger on Facebook
btnbelle
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- Apr 26, 2017
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This family are no ordinary burglars. They have chosen burglary for a career. It is a hazard of the job not the death penalty.
No sympathy from Mr Vincent's family has been heard of, for the many victims who have had their lives turned upside down over so many years. Not least the Osborn Brooks family. I am quite sure Richard Osborn Brooks would rather the whole thing had not happened.
Are they? I'd have no idea about that.
Either way, its scarcely relevant to the point I made. How they are feeling / responding now, and how they took the news their (scumbag) loved one had been killed, are two very different moments in time. The previous poster suggested he'd love to have witnessed that initial moment, which IMO makes him quite odd, and not especially pleasant.
btnbelle
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I agree, not all police lie and lead those they arrest up the garden path to set you up. But how do you know which sort of police officer arrested you? Best to be cautious rather than get fitted up for something you haven't done.
drew
Drew
Surely depends on whether the person they are questioning is a suspect or a witness.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
There's at least two from CID who question a murder as well as the uniformed branch who arrested you.
As an addition, three women have replaced the 'tributes' saying he was a 'good man' not a rapist or a murderer. They literally haven't got a clue that burglary of old people is a crime, and could easily have been manslaughter if the old boy had a weak heart.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-43710526
A completely set of different values to the rest of society.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
The inquest has opened
http://courtnewsuk.co.uk/stabbed-burglar-was-single-gentleman-of-no-occupation/
http://courtnewsuk.co.uk/stabbed-burglar-was-single-gentleman-of-no-occupation/
They're not ordinary burglars. Long prison sentences received for aggravated burglaries, robbery, intimidation, theft and fraud of old folk in their 70's and 80's.
Not opportunistic burglaries of empty homes by junkies, but cold and planned thuggish robberies of the vulnerable.
mikeyjh
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I get where you're coming from but these people, whether we like it or not, are grieving, they're probably not thinking rationally. That said, they probably don't think that burglary is 'bad' and in fairness it isn't so bad as rape or murder. Not condoning anything before people start, just trying to understand how they guys family and friends are thinking. I know the traveller community are not terribly popular right now but they are humans.....
Da Man Clay
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Yes they do have to tell you. And no they won’t try to get you talking first. Is unlawful and will allow the whole of any case to fall apart - becomes inadmissible evidence. Might have been true pre-pace but that is decades ago.
And yes the arrest does allow him free legal advice. Although he could equally have been provided it for a voluntary attendance interview. It is pretty inconceivable though that at the scene of a person being stabbed to death the person involved isn’t geoing to be arrested.
It's not about Traveller connections. The public would equally despise these vermin whether they be anglo-saxon, black, whatever.
Clearly the vast majority within the Traveller commununity don't rob and intimidate the vulnerable very old.
btnbelle
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Humans who have no respect for others humans.....
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
I've just watched BBCSouthEast news which is showing the road because it is in Kent. The 'grieving family' are verbally attacking the neighbours for taking down the flowers.
Mr Osborn Brooks can't go home yet as his house is boarded up, the police are parked on his drive, and his neighbours, also elderly are living in fear of revenge from this family. Most of them are elderly too.
All they want to do is go back to being a quiet road in suburbia, but it's turned into a battlefield.
https://twitter.com/bbcsoutheast/status/983764398954156035
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mikeyjh
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Going on that link, I don't see a 'battlefield', never the less I'll ask you this - Regardless of the circumstances, how would you react to someone tearing down tributes to someone you loved had died? Do you honestly think you'd react by saying, yeah he was a bit of a wrong 'un, fill your boots?
If your elderly relations had been terrorised by these scum you'd have a different view.
Feel sorry for the kids of the dead scum but only because they've unfortunately been born to a horrible family.
Dead scum can't threaten anyone else, good.
The poor old couple will live with this forever and probably it will have to be elsewhere from friends and family through no fault of their own, they are the only true victims in this.
No they don't.
What? You're saying that every time the police ask someone what's happened, they first have to tell them that they have the right to legal advice? Nonsense.
No one said anything about free legal advice, the question was simply whether they were entitled to legal advice. If the police do not arrest you, but ask you questions, you are entitled to get legal advice before saying anything.
Further reading:
https://www.wellsburcombe.co.uk/solicitor-police-interview/
Tell you what if, if, one of my family died whilst deliberately breaking into someone's home to rob it I'd never dream of putting ****ing flowers outside that house, Jesus wept.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Then let them build their shrine where they live, and not keep intimidating the neighbours and the poor chap who can't go home. He didn't ask for any of this and will still have to attend the coroner's inquest.
They are taking this to the victims, not the other way around.