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Anyone see galloway's contribution to the debate today



Publius Ovidius

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Bladders said:
Turkey are in NATO and have 250,000 troops plus hardware. The Saudi military Is none too shabby either.
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Which was one of his main thrust of argument. He asked MPs how many photos of Saudi and other Arab countries fighter/ bombers had been seen. He even questioned if they had even actually taken part. His next argument was about Saudi and Turkey and if the Turks were so worried, why they hadn't invaded themselves. Finally he suggested that Iraq was the most modern equipped army outside USA and they ran away leaving the most modern up to date weapons in the hands of these maniacs.
 




beorhthelm

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granny weatherwax said:
I am not a fan of him at all, but his rant on Saudi arabia and the other Arab nations was very interesting listening.

Interesting that the area Isil holds is the same size of Great Britain and is held by 30000 so called fighters. He was suggesting that there was huge support for them in northern Iraq , so how can we bomb them out of existence when they are so few.
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this doesnt even make sence, whats the point trying to be made? EDIT, having read the comments apparently he doesnt have any idea of the general population or population density of the fecking desert land of northern Iraq/eastern Syria.

Galloway is a horrid politican, very good talker but no real substance. has one of, if not the worst records for attending parliament, would rather dally around in foriegn lands than deal with his own constituants.
 


beorhthelm

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Brighton Lines said:
I fail to understand why the Arab nations, with their not insignificant military resources, cannot address the ISIS problem themselves.
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supply chain and command anc control. they buy up some hardware but they dont really have the infrastructure to support it at range. we have bases and Navy and US have their aircraft carrier fleets that can project that infrastructure around the world. without it, an operation even a few hundred miles out of your country is difficult for any period of time.
 


Eeyore

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Nothing like a good bombing, eh ? What about the unhindered genocidal acts committed everyday elsewhere ? Imperial hypocrisy at its best.
 






peterward

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Brighton Lines said:
Nothing like a good bombing, eh ?
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Absolutely, the US arms industry is massive, nothing like a good bombing campaign to keep the industry churning over and all those employees in work.

shame Obama completely and shamelessly bottled taking on Putin who has decapitated another sovereign European country (with no real value), far easier to go after ISIS who threaten the oil fields that Bush and Blair invested so much political capital to control.
 




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peterward said:
Absolutely, the US arms industry is massive, nothing like a good bombing campaign to keep the industry churning over and all those employees in work.

shame Obama completely and shamelessly bottled taking on Putin who has decapitated another sovereign European country (with no real value), far easier to go after ISIS who threaten the oil fields that Bush and Blair invested so much political capital to control.
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Christ, are you for real ? Comparing Putin, a distasteful Russian Nationalist, standing up for people who consider themselves Russian in Eastern Ukraine, many of whom would happily annexe to Russia if given the chance, to an organisation that considers it their duty to rape and massacre people who don't follow their medieval interpretation of a backward religion, people whose ancestors have lived in their towns and villages given the choice of converting from the religion they believe in, abandoning their homes or being murdered.

Perhaps Obama should have declared war on Russia so the world could have been destroyed in a nuclear holocaust, is that seriously what you think ? Is going after ISIL some easy option in your opinion ?, given the geopolitical/religious complications.
 




peterward

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crookie said:
Christ, are you for real ? Comparing Putin, a distasteful Russian Nationalist, standing up for people who consider themselves Russian in Eastern Ukraine, many of whom would happily annexe to Russia if given the chance, to an organisation that considers it their duty to rape and massacre people who don't follow their medieval interpretation of a backward religion, people whose ancestors have lived in their towns and villages given the choice of converting from the religion they believe in, abandoning their homes or being murdered.

Perhaps Obama should have declared war on Russia so the world could have been destroyed in a nuclear holocaust, is that seriously what you think ? Is going after ISIL some easy option in your opinion ?, given the geopolitical/religious complications.
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please spare me the sanctimonious rubbish, so u really believe the US are targeting ISIS because of morality or lack there of? why did the US do bugger all in Rwanda? do bugger all in a host of global issues where people suffer but there isnt really any threat to vested interests? I agree ISIS are scum, but i dont believe for 1 second that the US are doing what they do based on moral indignation.

Youre wrong about many of those in east wanting to be annexed, all my in laws live in Donbas. Obama didnt need to declare war on russia, he could've listened to both sides of the US house Democrats and Republicans who simply urged him to heed to President Poroshenkos request to send some form of lethal aid so Ukraine could defend herself against the russian military and mercenaries pouring over the border, destroying and killing, but Obama wont help a sovereign country being dismembered by an imperialist bully who pleaded for that US help as they cant offer him much and have no oil, if US decision making was moral based, especially after MH17, Obama would've done it.

I'm glad ISIS are targeted, but dont fool yourself, the US are not doing what theyre doing because ISIS are as you say " an organisation that considers it their duty to rape and massacre people who don't follow their medieval interpretation of a backward religion"

this is a political calculation based on vested interest and that interest is Oil
 
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Steve Foster said:
I wonder if the UK will give warnings before firing like the Israelis did against Hamas
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Ahhh ..... so you've decided to post that ridiculous statement publicly rather than just sending it to me via PM !
 


Steve Foster

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Westdene Seagull said:
Ahhh ..... so you've decided to post that ridiculous statement publicly rather than just sending it to me via PM !
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You have such an unnatural hatred to Israel, yet the most ethical army in the world gives notice before firing into civilian areas, but UK & USA won't. Your silence on the matter speaks a thousand words.
 






Westdene Seagull

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Steve Foster said:
You have such an unnatural hatred to Israel, yet the most ethical army in the world gives notice before firing into civilian areas, but UK & USA won't. Your silence on the matter speaks a thousand words.
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If you really think the two situations are remotely similar then you're even more of a murder supporting racist bigot than you've already made yourself out to be.
 






Thunder Bolt

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Mustafa said:
Turkey has a strict anti-war policy written into its constitution. Even the troops it deployed in Afghanistan with NATO weren't offensive.

Besides, especially with Erdogan as a leader, I get the impression that Turkey does not agree with Western foreign policies in the Middle East, and it will only get directly involved if its borders are threatened. As for Saudi Arabia, in many ways they are an "Islamic State" themselves, we aren't going to get any help from them.
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Saudi Arabia is already helping. One of the pilots involved in the raids is a son of Crown Prince Salman bin Abdul Aziz himself, according to Saudi newspapers.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/New...ts-who-took-part-in-strikes-against-ISIS.html

Their view:
The kingdom's Grand Mufti Sheikh Abdul Aziz al-Sheikh last month said Al-Qaeda and the ISIS group “have nothing to do with Islam and (their proponents) are the enemy number one of Islam”.
 




dingodan

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Steve Foster said:
You have such an unnatural hatred to Israel, yet the most ethical army in the world gives notice before firing into civilian areas, but UK & USA won't. Your silence on the matter speaks a thousand words.
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Yeah, well the IRA gave warnings too.

& IMO an "ethical army" is one which does not fire into civilian areas, period.

There is not really such a thing as an "ethical army", better to speak of an honorable army. That is one which adheres to the rules of war and some basic standards of human decency, like not killing women and children. & warning them before hand or saying sorry afterwards does not make it Okay.
 


Psychobilly freakout

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Steve Foster said:
You have such an unnatural hatred to Israel, yet the most ethical army in the world gives notice before firing into civilian areas, but UK & USA won't. Your silence on the matter speaks a thousand words.
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Oh do piss off Israel thread is elsewhere, stop your propaganda please it's simply not true.... Like you dropped leaflets just before bombing and killing innocent children in a UN safe haven that they told them not to bomb.... But we have said this all before and you ignore the facts....
 




Thunder Bolt

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sending5 tornado bombers is a political gesture
Saudi our allies could send 10 times that number
and Saudis are still beheading more people than IS
The uk are not going to defeat IS .
but we may be painting big target signs all across the uk for them
I have no qualms about killing the bad guys
but that really didn't work out so well in Afghanistan Iraq or Libya.
But this gesture is cynical politics as is labour's support
Is there an election soon?
 


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