Yeah but it's the railways innit, they like it their way or the highway.
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Yeah but it's the railways innit, they like it their way or the highway.
ManOfSussex
We wunt be druv
Learn from home then.
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
So better to have people posting idiotic comments and trolling them then ?
He didn't say that: he said it took about two years. He said it would take about 10 years if the entire workforce was replaced in one fell swoop because there'd be a shortage of experienced drivers
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
No I made it quite clear, if you want a driver at a depot like Brighton who is fully competent on all routes and traction then you're looking a driver who will have been there for 10+ years
People have an opinion....You should listen to them, you may learn something....Something your union may want to take on board too!
Buzzer
Languidly Clinical
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And no-one is talking about replacements, let alone wholesale changes because that isn't going to happen. We're talking about getting up to establishment levels with a whole load more train drivers who actually want to work.
Typical Ernest. Argues against an extreme position that no-one was proposing.
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Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
[MENTION=238]Uncle Buck[/MENTION] here is one of them that spoils any chance of a decent debate
ha ha...Pot, Kettle.....If someone disagrees with you, you just call them a stupid idiot!
It isn't hard to dismiss most of the propaganda being spouted by both sides.... You don't need to have worked on the railways to do this.
skipper734
Registered ruffian
A quote from Chris Grayling's letter to rail users.
When I met the General Secretary of ASLEF soon after my appointment, with virtually his first breath he promised me “10 years of industrial action.”
When I met the General Secretary of ASLEF soon after my appointment, with virtually his first breath he promised me “10 years of industrial action.”
Hmmmmm
Uncle Buck
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- Jul 7, 2003
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The problem is you just call them an idiot, so essentially you are trolling them.
I am struggling to see what you are adding to this debate, beyond showing to all that you are unable to debate the facts.
To be fair, Ernest was responding to ....
That was calling for wholesale changes - which is why Ernest adopted the extreme position.
We all know that GTR is not going to sack large amounts of drivers - or any amount - the company wouldn't be able to function
Buzzer
Languidly Clinical
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The 10 years comment was in response to my post though, wasn't it?
And I've got to say I'm surprised by Ernest's revelation that drivers aren't allowed to drive unaided for 10 years until they've memorised the entire route. You live and learn.
Would people notice?
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
Sensible post/question = Sensible answer
Trolling post gets treated with contempt
Seems a bit hard for you to understand does it ?
For Trolling...replace with.... I do not agree with that opinion...Or I do not understand the question or point...
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
Would you want to be on a train travelling at 90mph with a driver not knowing where the signals, stations, speed restrictions etc were ? Drivers are trained in sections so a newbie driver is only trained on a small section which I explained in a past post, so to be a fully competent driver in a big depot like Brighton would take 10 years or more, in the past it was impossible to be one and you could do your entire life as a driver and not be fully competent in all routes and tractions at each depot.
But hey I only troll this thread so why am I responding ?
Mick Whelan, general secretary of ASLEF, the train drivers’ union, spoke out this afternoon after claims made by Chris Grayling, the Secretary of State for Transport, in a letter released by the DfT.
‘The Transport Secretary is being less than honest on all counts,’ said Mick.‘Earlier this year Peter Wilkinson, the £265,000 a year director of rail passenger services, said on a public platform that the aim of the DfT is to force train drivers – men and women he derisively referred to as ‘muppets’ –‘out of my industry.’ Mr Wilkinson said he was determined to provoke industrial confrontation and, indeed, was looking forward to ‘punch ups’ with trade unions. The strikes this week are not, whatever Mr Grayling tries to suggest,politically motivated. We have a trade dispute with GTR / Southern, and only a poor government would seek to spin it any other way. I think their motives are clear.’
Mick added: ‘The Transport Secretary is also being less than honest – and utterly selective – about a private meeting I had with him held, in good faith, under Chatham House rules. We said there could potentially be issues, in the future,on GTR/Southern following his refusal to entertain the serious safety concerns we raised and given the complete breakdown in trust between the union and the company.That loss of trust now extends to Mr Grayling and the government of which he is a part.
‘I am not sure how Mr Grayling has been made party to private and confidential conversations that took place but, in the interest of fairness, he might have said that we were willing to go to ACAS last week but GTR Southern refused because they wanted to go to court. These conversations finished yesterday evening and,logistically, could not have been concluded before we had to meet with our legal teams and was not a genuine offer.
‘I am more concerned, than either the minister or the company, about the safety of our members and the travelling public, but today we will find out whether a fully or partly-owned foreign company can deny British workers the right to strike.
Shock horror a Tory mp twisting the truth again.
Uncle Buck
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