[Football] Jacob Rees-Mogg.

beorhthelm said:

its not that blurred. there's two definite defining points we can work from, conception and birth. there's only a lot of grey if one doesn't accept the latter, and the acceptance of the former is not credible. for majority of the gestation the embryo/fetus is not remote viable outside the womb, we have only pushed that back some weeks with modern medical intervention.

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DavidinSouthampton said:

Are you one of the blue-rinse Conservative Party member brigade.

Everything I've read seems to say he's the darling of the ever shrinking membership of the party (about 70,000), so he would have a good chance if he were one of the final two put forward to the membership in any leadership election.

But that he would be very unlikely to get that far because the members of the Parliamentary Party know that he would make them unelectable.

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attila said:

I hope he wins the forthcoming leadership election (after the Tories have lost the general election)
His only appeal is to the old and narrow minded. He would lose the under 40 vote by miles.
There wouldn't be another Tory government for 20 years

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Herr Tubthumper said:

Wouldn’t happen in Germany.

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Ernest said:

How many Labour members have you seen in Nazi uniforms

Tories = Fascist supporters and sympathisers

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attila said:

I hope he wins the forthcoming leadership election (after the Tories have lost the general election)
His only appeal is to the old and narrow minded. He would lose the under 40 vote by miles.
There wouldn't be another Tory government for 20 years

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Harry Wilson's tackle said:

Yes but you were complaining about my one word (or symbol) post, weren't you? Now you are complaining my posts are too long? I apologise if this seems a bit 'know it all' but might I suggest you make your mind up? I apologise also for forgetting if we have had a difference of opinion in the past (I have no recollection), and by all means take issue with 'content' if you feel the need, but I don't know who you are or see why you feel the need to pass personal comments on my 'attitude'.

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Hastings gull said:

I wasn't complaining that your posts are too long as such -read my post again -just that you wanted to be abusive and then further on in this thread you have the incredible audacity to talk of others being offensive -the hypocrisy is quite staggering. The point about your diatribes is that you attempt to "show" your intellectual superiority, and given the abuse you dished out, how on earth you can complain about comments on your attitude is quite frankly beyond me.

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Ernest said:

JC FG = Nazi sympathiser

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attila said:

I hope he wins the forthcoming leadership election (after the Tories have lost the general election)
His only appeal is to the old and narrow minded. He would lose the under 40 vote by miles.
There wouldn't be another Tory government for 20 years

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attila said:

I hope he wins the forthcoming leadership election (after the Tories have lost the general election)
His only appeal is to the old and narrow minded. He would lose the under 40 vote by miles.
There wouldn't be another Tory government for 20 years

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JC Footy Genius said:

Ernest = £10k poorer

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2006/mar/23/digitalmedia.law

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LlcoolJ said:

That's probably because you are incredibly stupid and massively pompous though. Just a thought....

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Hastings gull said:

Yes, but your thoughts; one mustn't ever forget the standard of your thoughts. . . Did you go back and really go through what the exchange of views was about? . . No, I didn't think so, just wanted to be abusive, didn't you?

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LlcoolJ said:

Nice little conversation with yourself there which just proves my point. How's the view from that ivory tower?

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Hastings gull said:

Just leaving the tower now for a few drinks with mates in the Police. Any message for them from you?

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JC Footy Genius said:

Labour welcomes back banned activists and Holocaust denier

A Holocaust denier and a leading member of Militant during its takeover of Liverpool council are among a first wave of expelled hard-left activists who have been readmitted to the Labour Party, it can be revealed today.

A leak from Labour headquarters shows the extent of the resurgent left’s control over the party after recent elections to its governing body, where Momentum candidates won a “clean sweep” of new positions.

Activists have been allowed to rejoin despite still belonging to organisations “proscribed” by Labour — including a Trotskyist group, the Alliance for Workers’ Liberty. Others stood against Labour for hard-left parties as recently as 2016.

The decisions disclosed today were taken at the first meeting of Labour’s national executive committee (NEC) since the left took control by winning three new places on the body. They suggest a rapid, dramatic relaxation in membership policy towards far-left activists.

One figure welcomed back into the party, Alan Fogg, 76, played a leading role in the Trotskyist group Militant in its takeover of Liverpool council in the 1980s. He was one of 47 councillors banned from public office for five years after trying to set an illegal budget in 1985.

Fogg stood against Labour in local elections for the Trade Unionist and Socialist Coalition (TUSC) as recently as 2016, winning 6.5% of the votes in his Liverpool ward.

He said: “I had expected them to give me trouble, but I went for an interview and it all went fine . . . It’s about time people like us got back into the party.”

Another individual who has been readmitted, Mike Sivier, was suspended by Labour only last year for comments about Jews and Zionism. On his website, Sivier, 48, said it “may be entirely justified” to say Tony Blair had been “unduly influenced by a cabal of Jewish advisers”.

He also said he was “not pretending it was a big problem” if Jews were omitted from a list of Holocaust survivors, and claimed “I’m not going to comment” on whether thousands or millions of Jews died in the Holocaust as “I don’t know”.

Sivier, who wrote a book defending Ken Livingstone’s claims about Hitler and Zionism, entitled The Livingstone Presumption, has been readmitted on the basis that he attends a workshop about anti-semitism. But he told The Sunday Times he would boycott the event. “I’m not accepting my readmission under the terms offered to me,” he said.

The NEC voted by 12 to 10 to issue Sivier a “warning” but not to expel him, suggesting the new arithmetic on the body had a decisive impact.

Janine Booth, 51, a self-identifying “Marxist socialist-feminist” who remains a member of the Alliance for Workers’ Liberty has also been readmitted. Booth, of Hackney, east London, stood for the Socialist Alliance in the 2001 general election and Socialist Unity in local elections in 2006. Her election leaflet said Labour “don’t deserve your vote” and that they “attack working-class communities”.

She claims Labour officers told her the party was now a “broad church” and that members of Workers’ Liberty were welcome.

According to her account, party officials told her: “If it is OK for members of Progress [the moderate pressure group], to be part of it, so too can members of Workers’ Liberty.”

The NEC can block expelled individuals from rejoining the party — but leaked minutes reveal the body has granted “appeals” to several hard-left activists and appointed allies of Jeremy Corbyn to chair their eventual hearings.

Lee Jasper, 59, is one such person. He stepped down as Livingstone’s “race tsar” after leaked emails revealed his intimate relationship with a woman whose organisation received City Hall funds — telling her, “I want to . . . honey glaze you” — and later stood against Labour for George Galloway’s Respect Party in 2012.

Jasper’s membership will be reviewed by Andy Kerr, a union official and Corbyn ally who is helping lead Labour’s controversial review into internal party democracy, seen by moderates as a precursor to the deselection of centrist MPs.

“I’ve been an admirer and supporter of Jeremy Corbyn for years . . . I hope for a positive outcome,” Jasper said last night.

Terence Ewing, a convicted fraudster, and Kingsley Abrams, who stood against Labour for TUSC in the 2015 general election, are also set to have their applications reviewed.

Ewing, 65, was convicted of 21 counts of theft and forgery and jailed for seven years in 1981. In 1990, a High Court judge declared him a “vexatious litigant” and banned him from taking legal action in England and Wales.

Abrams, 56, said: “I applied to rejoin the Labour Party because of Jeremy Corbyn and look forward to my appeal hearing.”

NEC sources said the appointment of left-wing members to review left-wing activists’ membership appeals was part of an understanding that would allow centrist members to review their own allies’ disciplinary cases.

Luke Akehurst of Labour First, an anti-Momentum pressure group, said: “It is simply absurd that these people should be considered eligible to join for Labour.

“Some of [them] are high-profile, public opponents of the Labour Party or leading members of far-left rival parties.”

A senior party source said it no longer recognised the list of proscribed organisations so people linked to them could not be banned. “There is a debate about whether these existed at points in Labour history,” the source said. “Our view is that they no longer exist.”

A party spokesman said: “We do not comment on leaked documents. The NEC’s disputes panel operates in line with our party’s procedures.”

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...nned-activists-and-holocaust-denier-ggv6s3vkn



Indeed ... #nastyparty

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JC Footy Genius said:

Ernest = £10k poorer

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2006/mar/23/digitalmedia.law

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Hastings gull said:

I wasn't complaining that your posts are too long as such -read my post again -just that you wanted to be abusive and then further on in this thread you have the incredible audacity to talk of others being offensive -the hypocrisy is quite staggering. The point about your diatribes is that you attempt to "show" your intellectual superiority, and given the abuse you dished out, how on earth you can complain about comments on your attitude is quite frankly beyond me.

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