[Politics] Brexit

Two Professors · Jul 13, 2017

Lincoln Imp said:
Well, given that Prof Minford is a prominent Leave-advocating economist, I suppose he could well be ga-ga. For the same reason you will presumably regard him as a genius and regard his views as prescient. Near-death of British manufacturing it is then.

I don't regard him as anything.He's an economist.The crap they predicted before,and after,the referendum,showed most of them up as an absolute waste of space.I'm just intrigued that your side can quote him both for and against your argument. :laugh:

Two Professors · Jul 13, 2017

nicko31 said:
The hard facts are the UK is now the slowest growing economy in the EU and the G7. Though its good to see you are admitting to the slowing construction sector, who can you blame, foreigners?

The Germans will do.They're paying more.

JC Footy Genius · Jul 13, 2017

ManOfSussex said:
Doesn't appear to be anyone in the nuclear science industry who thinks so. Even Dominic Cummings, head of Vote Leave, tweeted this about it:

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The Commons science and technology committee said after the Brexit vote that The Department for Existing The EU should take on a chief scientific adviser. They didn't. Never mind. As David Davis would say, it'll probably all be okay.

nicko31 said:
Going it alone has almost no advantages. Euratom includes the funding for Culham, lab, importation of radioactive medical sources which the UK does not produce, joint research projects with European partners on all kinds of nuclear matters. Pure self harm for the UK

According to Mr Davis we are looking at an 'association agreement' that would continue cooperation, minimise disruption but would fall outside ECJ jurisdiction. The UK Atomic Energy Authority supports this route. I'm finding this newfound interest in Mr Cummings views rather amusing though.

ManOfSussex · Jul 13, 2017

JC Footy Genius said:
According to Mr Davis.................

Lincoln Imp · Jul 13, 2017

Two Professors said:
I don't regard him as anything.He's an economist.The crap they predicted before,and after,the referendum,showed most of them up as an absolute waste of space.I'm just intrigued that your side can quote him both for and against your argument.

The fact is that he was one of the leading lights among Brexiteer economists, arguing passionately in favour of Brexit. I assume you agree with the general drift of his arguments, which included the suggestion - which I have heard elsewhere, from remainers too - that the policy suggested would decimate UK manfacturing (his actual words were 'virtually eliminate'). I do recall a remainer on here calling him a Thatcherite nutter - it's possible, of course, that you would regard this as no criticism at all

And writing off most economists as a waste of space seems rather child-like.

Blue3 · Jul 13, 2017

Titanic said:
That doesnt seem either likely or necessary. There is a long way to go before celebrations are in order. This is just another small, but important, step along the way.

I think you are confusing small with HUGE

nicko31 · Jul 13, 2017

Blue3 said:
I think you are confusing small with HUGE

Yep completely clueless. Government needs to comprimise or it will be chaos

Two Professors · Jul 13, 2017

Lincoln Imp said:
The fact is that he was one of the leading lights among Brexiteer economists, arguing passionately in favour of Brexit. I assume you agree with the general drift of his arguments, which included the suggestion - which I have heard elsewhere, from remainers too - that the policy suggested would decimate UK manfacturing (his actual words were 'virtually eliminate'). I do recall a remainer on here calling him a Thatcherite nutter - it's possible, of course, that you would regard this as no criticism at all

And writing off most economists as a waste of space seems rather child-like.

Wonder why so many of them work in Costa,or ask 'do you want fries with that'?Perhaps you could point out some of their recent successful predictions,as I can't find any.They seem to have been selling the world a load of bullcrap for years about how clever they are,and child-like or not,I just can't see it.If they are as clever as you seem to think,how come they're not all sunning themselves in Bermuda?

The Rivet · Jul 13, 2017

Newsnight! Dear oh dear. The BBC affording a man guilty of sedition, some would say treason, far too much airtime.

EDIT: Shame they didn't give the opposing view as much say.

Jim in the West · Jul 14, 2017

I see we're now caving in on the exit bill, too. Just a few days ago Boris told the EU to "go whistle" (nice one Boris!), but yesterday the Govt officially admitted it will have to meet its liabilities both before and after we leave.

Mental Lental · Jul 14, 2017

Jim in the West said:
I see we're now caving in on the exit bill, too. Just a few days ago Boris told the EU to "go whistle" (nice one Boris!), but yesterday the Govt officially admitted it will have to meet its liabilities both before and after we leave.

Quelle surprise.

The Clamp · Jul 14, 2017

Jim in the West said:
I see we're now caving in on the exit bill, too. Just a few days ago Boris told the EU to "go whistle" (nice one Boris!), but yesterday the Govt officially admitted it will have to meet its liabilities both before and after we leave.

Of course we are going to pay it. It's a ready made excuse for the government as to where the £350m a week went and why the "money we save" by leaving the EU is not being used to cover the shortfall of retracted EU funding in some of our poorest regions. Tory scum.

Pinkie Brown · Jul 14, 2017

JC Footy Genius said:
According to Mr Davis we are looking at an 'association agreement' that would continue cooperation, minimise disruption but would fall outside ECJ jurisdiction. The UK Atomic Energy Authority supports this route. I'm finding this newfound interest in Mr Cummings views rather amusing though.

Cobbled together in haste on the back of a fag packet before lunch when they realised; oh ****, we forgot all about that one. Quick phonecall to Laura K. Get her to tweet a few ideas (sic) to see how the land lies. Jobs a good'un.

Another day in the continuing saga of the brexitshambles.

Pinkie Brown · Jul 14, 2017

Jim in the West said:
I see we're now caving in on the exit bill, too. Just a few days ago Boris told the EU to "go whistle" (nice one Boris!), but yesterday the Govt officially admitted it will have to meet its liabilities both before and after we leave.

Johnson looking an even bigger idiot (if that were possible) after his pathetic chest thumping a few days ago. A national embarrassment.

Albumen · Jul 14, 2017

We have to pay to leave? That's not what the Leave campaign promised! Were they talking out of their arse? Well I never.
One day we'll find out a reason to leave, maybe.

Good work everyone.

ManOfSussex · Jul 14, 2017

I see The Daily Telegraph are now reporting at least 15 Tories are talking to Labour about keeping The UK in The EEA - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...talks-labour-signing-uk-free-movement-brexit/

pastafarian · Jul 14, 2017

daveinprague said:
Yes im sure we will leave..

daveinprague said:
Only people getting their knickers in a twist are brexiteers seeing their dream starting to fall apart

The dream is to leave The EU. We are leaving. I know it, you recognise it.
So what dreams are starting to fall apart?

daveinprague · Jul 14, 2017

pastafarian said:
The dream is to leave The EU. We are leaving. I know it, you recognise it.
So what dreams are starting to fall apart?

A successful and non long term catastrophic Brexit that will affect the countries young citizens for decades ahead.
That one.
Many remainers, like myself, considered other people, and not our own individual circumstances, and notions that a grand past can be replicated in a country that now has no industry to speak of, with 80% of our trade being 'services'

pastafarian · Jul 14, 2017

Albumen said:
We have to pay to leave? That's not what the Leave campaign promised! Were they talking out of their arse? Well I never.
One day we'll find out a reason to leave, maybe.

Good work everyone.

Mass Immigration is shit
ECJ and loss of sovereign law making powers to Brussels is shit also
Millions of £ a day we could be spending at home instead.

Thats three good reasons already

pastafarian · Jul 14, 2017

daveinprague said:
A successful and non long term catastrophic Brexit that will affect the countries young citizens for decades ahead.
That one.
Many remainers, like myself, considered other people, and not our own individual circumstances, and notions that a grand past can be replicated in a country that now has no industry to speak of, with 80% of our trade being 'services'

so our dreams of leaving the EU are not falling apart at all

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