Buzzer
Languidly Clinical
- Oct 1, 2006
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I'll ask again, how do I give a factual reply to a question that asks did he vote because he hates his grandchildren or because they're all racist? That there is the ad-hominem.
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[Politics] Brexit
- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
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I'll ask again, how do I give a factual reply to a question that asks did he vote because he hates his grandchildren or because they're all racist? That there is the ad-hominem.
- Apr 5, 2014
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This was my view- and not because I wanted a certain result.
The decision to leave could not be reversed. I would have settled for 60/40 to show that it was the will of the majority that wasn't subject to change at regular intervals depending on single issue representation in the media headlines.
Ce la vie.
Ok different question, in the olden days you mentioned, how many people went to university compaired to now?
portlock seagull
Why? Why us?
- Jul 28, 2003
- 17,071
Obviously you're not stupid. I could never understand why people seemed to think economic arguments trump everything else though. Christ it's important, yes, but then so are lots of other factors when it comes to voting. And if people deem those to be equally important, it doesn't mean they should be derided. Economic arguments are usually championed by those doing alright but what about those that aren't? That's when other factors become more significant in peoples lives. Such as civic pride?
One thing that I can't believe is still not even registering on people's radar is the environment. Sure, 20-30 years ago when the green party was in its infancy. But today, when every week the evidence and need to take drastic action just grows and grows. The green party has 1 MP (ONE!) and hasn't looked like winning another despite general elections coming along every other week. Because the average person couldn't give a shit. In most people's vote determining factors, I'd warrant it's not even top 5 consideration. Health, Education, Economy, Immigration and the X factor result are all more important. And yet we are ALL f***ed if we don't keep Mother Nature 'on side' as opposed to e.g. the Unionists! It's really quite strange why people aren't thinking about this. Probably it's too big an issue to consider and people just don't want to contemplate. But forget about Brexit for a minute, what's really going to screw your children's future up is crop failures, rising sea levels and suddenly several billion people on the move to find refuge elsewhere. It'll end in tears and I'm not just talking about the polar bears
GreersElbow
New member
You've also not gone through the thread, have you? I'm referring to a comment I made in reply to your...talking about trade, duped voters etc...
"The unwashed masses" Granted - I'm not trying to excuse OP's comments, it's unnecessary and is unhelpful. However, the fact of the matter is quite simple. Brexit's been ugly, both sides as bad as one another.
Ludensian Gull
Well-known member
And my point again. You're not exactly presenting yourself well...again.
Reading your previous posts I always imagined you as a self a opionuated
, I wasn't wrong 
portlock seagull
Why? Why us?
- Jul 28, 2003
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Tooting Gull
Well-known member
- Jul 5, 2003
- 11,033
Give it a rest. Of course it's controversial, but it's a new survey and worthy of comment/debate and the thread title paraphrased the content. No one on here is going to stop talking about important stuff because you don't like it and fly into an abusive rage. Got it?
portlock seagull
Why? Why us?
- Jul 28, 2003
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Just picking a nominal year, a while ago before the general surge in immigration levels.
Mellor 3 Ward 4
Well-known member
That's rubbish. 50% now go to university, compared to 5% in the 70s.
Problem was all the Crayons universities, the old polytechnics, abandoning vocational courses and offering courses and degrees that are worthless.
GreersElbow
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Probably more, education got better.
There was also less universities. There was also industry, that industry was then sold off and traditional jobs became less and less relevant as that industry died. Our economy was changed in 1979, when Thatcher was elected. Right or wrong, I'm not disputing that - I believe it was the right thing but that's digressing.
However, apprenticeships have only really become more prevalent now - so what choice did the youth have? The Labour government tried transitioning from that traditional industrial economy into a service-based economy. That's how economies evolve. It's a natural progression based on globalisation.
So, the real reason more people go to university is because the traditional economy no longer exists in the same way. You only have to go to ex-mining communities to see that effect. I work for British Steel, so having work in Scunthorpe, I see how it has effected the town. University is for some, the only option.
Buzzer
Languidly Clinical
- Oct 1, 2006
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I have gone through the thread and the ad-hominem is calling Brexit voters thick and racist.My response that not learning from history is a kind of stupidity was the one you picked up on and told me that I should give factual replies. I made no comment about being duped or about trade or even 'etc.'
GreersElbow
New member
And who's faults that? Typical baby-boomers, won't accept responsibility.
It was your lot who voted for the government policies that lead to that "50%" you quote going to university.
GreersElbow
New member
Reading your previous posts I always imagined you as a self a opionuated
It isn't hard when you've got the intelligence of a tadpole.. opinunated? Are you shaking so much because of the adrenaline rush you're getting because you're in an argument?
Buzzer
Languidly Clinical
- Oct 1, 2006
- 26,121
Haha! Playing the innocent now. I was never trying to call Brexit voters thick. Not me sir. It was the bigger kids who said it.
GreersElbow
New member
No, I never said you made a commebt about being duped, or trade, either.
So would I be wrong in saying it isn't that difficult to get into university these days?
GreersElbow
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CaptainDaveUK
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- Oct 18, 2010
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It could be argued that the people lacking intelligence are the ones that don't understand the difference between debt and deficit.