LamieRobertson
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[News] Girls not girls & boys not boys! Gender neutrality !
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I'm sure you would
darkwolf666
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Understood the difficulty it may create, but that isn't what the current agenda is about, it is about ALL children being considered gender neutral - surely that can't be right if it is just about how it may affect a small minority who have mixed and confused feelings about their gender.
WildWood
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beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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it may have started there, or there is a valid discussion about boy/girl roles and activities, the effects they have on their life. but there's another stream, one that starts with boys/men and girls/women "chosing" a gender, and then leads to some changing their physical attributes. then everyone has to accept their new image and accomodate it within binary gender world.
LamieRobertson
Not awoke
Yep...I see where you are coming from and its a serious point you make.
darkwolf666
Well-known member
You really couldn't make it up, could you?
midnight_rendezvous
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It’s the Daily Mail. So, yes.
Not that the story is made up but I’d take the DM’s view and ‘fact checking’ on it with a mountain of salt.
midnight_rendevous has got it spot on with his post! Seems like all the other posts on this topic focusing on the small extremes when the arguments should be how do make sure that woman aren't held back by customs and can reach their full potential and what ever they may wish to aspire to!
ATFC Seagull
Aberystwyth Town FC
My understanding of the term "gender neutral" isn't anything to do with gender identity or assigned sex - although personally I can't see why anyone would be anything other than supportive of transgender people.
It's about, particularly for children, removing expectations and norms based on their gender - either refraining from toys, activities, clothes that pigeonhole them from an early age, or by making sure that they are also exposed to the non-stereotypical e.g.'s of the above. Why can't a girl like dinosaurs and space? Why can't boys be interested in caring for young children? I'm sure enough lads will still grow up to find their main hobby is fighting people from another town every Saturday, if that's what you're worried about.
It's about, particularly for children, removing expectations and norms based on their gender - either refraining from toys, activities, clothes that pigeonhole them from an early age, or by making sure that they are also exposed to the non-stereotypical e.g.'s of the above. Why can't a girl like dinosaurs and space? Why can't boys be interested in caring for young children? I'm sure enough lads will still grow up to find their main hobby is fighting people from another town every Saturday, if that's what you're worried about.
- Apr 5, 2014
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How people address is a received structure anyway.
I remember a chap who started at our work place a while back who wore high heels and ladies blouse. I was reprimanded by a colleague who didn't like my being critical of this.
I pointed out that my derision had nothing to do with an 'alternative' style of dress but how his heels did not go with the blouse. I felt a satin number would have been more fitting.
"In Brighton you won't get judged for dressing as you please...", I explained. "..but you will get judged for poor dress sense"
I have no problem with people wearing what they want. It's their right to be comfortable. In the same vein I do have a problem with gender conditioning.
I was sometimes bullied by boys and girls at school because I was seen as being weak and other worldly. Nothing compared to what some affected by issues discussed in this thread are though.
If society questioned its inherited conditioning a little more this wouldn't be an issue.
I remember a chap who started at our work place a while back who wore high heels and ladies blouse. I was reprimanded by a colleague who didn't like my being critical of this.
I pointed out that my derision had nothing to do with an 'alternative' style of dress but how his heels did not go with the blouse. I felt a satin number would have been more fitting.
"In Brighton you won't get judged for dressing as you please...", I explained. "..but you will get judged for poor dress sense"
I have no problem with people wearing what they want. It's their right to be comfortable. In the same vein I do have a problem with gender conditioning.
I was sometimes bullied by boys and girls at school because I was seen as being weak and other worldly. Nothing compared to what some affected by issues discussed in this thread are though.
If society questioned its inherited conditioning a little more this wouldn't be an issue.
GT49er
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Yes we do - we have them or they which can be used for singular people when necessary. The French might have a problem - everything there has to be masculine or feminine. In French, tables are blokes; chairs are birds. Mental.
Wonder what they put in front of their word for a transsexual - le or la?
GT49er
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Yes, but with this current madness of gender being a life-style choice, surely all they need to do is identify themselves as blokes. Problem solved - they can then start bullying everybody else (isn't that what we blokes are alleged to be doing?)
- Apr 5, 2014
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Ben Shapiro is the articulate upgrade of Katie Hopkins.
This is a man that even Jeffrey Goldberg described as a fascist.
Publius Ovidius
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Erm..when has someone being told off for calling a boy a boy or a girl a girl?
A colleague of my wife is a lesbian and she loves it when I call her a girly whirly ......it's all a bit silly to be honest
A colleague of my wife is a lesbian and she loves it when I call her a girly whirly ......it's all a bit silly to be honest
WildWood
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Couldn’t agree more. The blokes a complete tool. Can’t disagree with any of his points on this vid though.
WildWood
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Post #23
As are you perhaps?
"Alleged" well I think you are treading on thin ice there. The majority of men don't but there is lots of evidence to suggest that a substantial minority do!
melias shoes
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- Oct 14, 2010
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It's total bollocks. Pathetic.
The Large One
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I've just pointed out one of them as being factually wrong. And it's a material fact.
If he doesn't understand the history, his right to comment - let alone comment self-authoritatively - is severely diminished.