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[Politics] Tom Watson has done it now



Chicken Run

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Jul 17, 2003
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The Momentum bully boys will hunt him down

He is quoted as suggesting the Labour Party will disappear into a vortex of eternal shame and render itself unfit to lead over its well publicised ant semitism.

He also called for internal inquiries into Jewish Labour MPs Margaret Hodge and Ian Austin to be dropped.

I post this as a potential Labour voter should Corbyn and his momentum bullies crawl back under the skanky old rock from where they came.
 

sahel

Active member
Jan 24, 2014
223
The Momentum bully boys will hunt him down

He is quoted as suggesting the Labour Party will disappear into a vortex of eternal shame and render itself unfit to lead over its well publicised ant semitism.

He also called for internal inquiries into Jewish Labour MPs Margaret Hodge and Ian Austin to be dropped.

I post this as a potential Labour voter should Corbyn and his momentum bullies crawl back under the skanky old rock from where they came.

This country is in a right state and it needs a strong Labour party to rescue it from austerity and Brexit. What does it get? Jeremy Corbyn !

Corbyn clearly isn't going anywhere so maybe it is time for a new party although under our electoral system that probably means endless Tory rule and a hard Brexit with Johnson as PM.

God help us
 

larus

Well-known member
I say this as a voter who would usually vote Tory as I believe in small government, capitalism and free enterprise, with government providing efficient, public services like education, health, defence, social services etc.

The state of politics on all sides is disasterous. You have Corbyn as leader who does not command the support/respect of his own MPs. Diane Abbot as shadow Home Secretary and McDonnell as shadow Chancellor.

Then on the Tory side we have May who is useless and a liar. She is, IMO, undermining the Brexit process to either halt it or force Brino (that is a separate thread though). SHe was useless as Home Secretary and I’ve never liked her.
What are the other options? Gove, Leadsom, Boris, Rudd, Sajid?

But, if we look back in recent times as other leaders of the country, were they any better?
Cameron/Clegg.
Brown.
Bliar.
Major.

Politics has sunk to new lows IMO. No truth/honesty, but is that the way it’s always been and we look back at the past and think things were better?

We have both a crap opposition and government at this point. I cringe whenever I see May.
 

Icy Gull

Back on the rollercoaster
Jul 5, 2003
72,015
Why the assumption that the current incumbents of the Labour Party with or without Corbyn would make a decent job of taking us out of Europe? Taking us out of Europe would be a poisoned chalice whoever was in power. The last Labour Government was Tory Light and I’m less than convinced that an old school Labour Party would do any better in the current climate if they were elected. I have zero faith that politicians of any persuasion could manage this cluster****.
 

Geoffbn2

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Feb 2, 2014
279
what this country needs are some god conviction politicians, i would vote Labour if Hilary Benn was in charge but with the current leadership spouting politics of envy, racism and even to an extent fascism, i will never vote for them, Tories need good and strong leadership, god knows who though but May is not up to the job, she was given a stinking pile of crap and has tried to deal with it but actually in all probability made it worse.. We're up a certain creak and defiantly lost the paddle before we started.
 


Mayonaise

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May 25, 2014
2,114
Haywards Heath
Politics is always a contentious subject and often will be a bit rough & tumble but in all my life, I dont think I ever known it to be quite like we have it at the moment. You look around and there really is nobody who looks capable of grabbing this mess by the scruff of the neck and leading in the best interests of the country.

I always felt that Labour elected the wrong Milliband brother to lead. Of course now we can never know but if they'd got that right, it's likely that we never would have had to endure that idiot Cameron.

Corbyn may well get in at the next election but it will be suicide.
 

maltaseagull

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Feb 25, 2009
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Politics is always a contentious subject and often will be a bit rough & tumble but in all my life, I dont think I ever known it to be quite like we have it at the moment. You look around and there really is nobody who looks capable of grabbing this mess by the scruff of the neck and leading in the best interests of the country.

I always felt that Labour elected the wrong Milliband brother to lead. Of course now we can never know but if they'd got that right, it's likely that we never would have had to endure that idiot Cameron.

Corbyn may well get in at the next election but it will be suicide.

I thought this would be a thread about golf!
 

Weststander

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Aug 25, 2011
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what this country needs are some god conviction politicians, i would vote Labour if Hilary Benn was in charge but with the current leadership spouting politics of envy, racism and even to an extent fascism, i will never vote for them, Tories need good and strong leadership, god knows who though but May is not up to the job, she was given a stinking pile of crap and has tried to deal with it but actually in all probability made it worse.. We're up a certain creak and defiantly lost the paddle before we started.

Who would have ever thought that the Labour Party would be home for racist anti-semites? That used to be the sole preserve of the hard right.

Corbyn should have the balls to hunt these evil parasites down, and kick them out. Failure to do so will leave the Labour Party with zero chance of an overall majority at a general election.

I suspect the reason he doesn't is that many of these Labour Nazis, are long term buddies, from their work together against Israel and pro-Hamas.

Corbyn would love to be in 10 Downing Street, but he continues to shoot himself in the foot. Stubborness.
 


cheshunt seagull

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Jul 5, 2003
2,476
what this country needs are some god conviction politicians, i would vote Labour if Hilary Benn was in charge but with the current leadership spouting politics of envy, racism and even to an extent fascism, i will never vote for them, Tories need good and strong leadership, god knows who though but May is not up to the job, she was given a stinking pile of crap and has tried to deal with it but actually in all probability made it worse.. We're up a certain creak and defiantly lost the paddle before we started.

I’d settle for politicians who see their role as being trustees of the economic and social well-being of everyone in this country as well as representing the views of the people they were elected to serve. Basic competence and a sense of duty would suit me. There are politicians like this on both sides but they are being drowned out by those that are motivated by their own ideological obsessions, advancement of their own careers and cynical business interests. I am not sure that either of the main parties deserves to be in government right now.
 
Feb 23, 2009
22,771
Brighton factually.....
Who would have ever thought that the Labour Party would be home for racist anti-semites? That used to be the sole preserve of the hard right.

Have you ever heard of a thing called National Socialism ?

Condescending comment aside (sorry fella)

The old labour in the past and still, have long standing issues with Israel, Zionist ideas, and the occupation of the West Bank. This should be no shock to anyone really it makes perfect sense, if you take those issues into account.

It seems to me ever since Nick Clegg sold his soul and party to share power, there has been no centre ground left to hold the big two to account, or at least for them to water down ideas in order to appeal to those middle voters. Now we are left with basically two extremes, neither appeal to me.
 

jasetheace

New member
Apr 13, 2011
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I say this as a voter who would usually vote Tory as I believe in small government, capitalism and free enterprise, with government providing efficient, public services like education, health, defence, social services etc.

The state of politics on all sides is disasterous. You have Corbyn as leader who does not command the support/respect of his own MPs. Diane Abbot as shadow Home Secretary and McDonnell as shadow Chancellor.

Then on the Tory side we have May who is useless and a liar. She is, IMO, undermining the Brexit process to either halt it or force Brino (that is a separate thread though). SHe was useless as Home Secretary and I’ve never liked her.
What are the other options? Gove, Leadsom, Boris, Rudd, Sajid?

But, if we look back in recent times as other leaders of the country, were they any better?
Cameron/Clegg.
Brown.
Bliar.
Major.

Politics has sunk to new lows IMO. No truth/honesty, but is that the way it’s always been and we look back at the past and think things were better?

We have both a crap opposition and government at this point. I cringe whenever I see May.

Couldn't agree more. I am equally staggered by the apparent unwillingness of those from the Centre (all shades) to form a new party (See Macron/Trudeau). There appears to be a fear of a repeat of the calamitous SDP shambles of the 80's when in fact people are now crying out for an alternative(s).
 


The Clamp

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I say this as a voter who would usually vote Tory as I believe in small government, capitalism and free enterprise, with government providing efficient, public services like education, health, defence, social services etc.

The state of politics on all sides is disasterous. You have Corbyn as leader who does not command the support/respect of his own MPs. Diane Abbot as shadow Home Secretary and McDonnell as shadow Chancellor.

Then on the Tory side we have May who is useless and a liar. She is, IMO, undermining the Brexit process to either halt it or force Brino (that is a separate thread though). SHe was useless as Home Secretary and I’ve never liked her.
What are the other options? Gove, Leadsom, Boris, Rudd, Sajid?

But, if we look back in recent times as other leaders of the country, were they any better?
Cameron/Clegg.
Brown.
Bliar.
Major.

Politics has sunk to new lows IMO. No truth/honesty, but is that the way it’s always been and we look back at the past and think things were better?

We have both a crap opposition and government at this point. I cringe whenever I see May.

I am stunned. We agree wholeheartedly on something. Just going for a lie down.
 

Questions

Habitual User
Oct 18, 2006
24,652
Worthing
I thought he’d won the Senior Open for a minute.
 

Wardy's twin

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Oct 21, 2014
8,377
I say this as a voter who would usually vote Tory as I believe in small government, capitalism and free enterprise, with government providing efficient, public services like education, health, defence, social services etc.

The state of politics on all sides is disasterous. You have Corbyn as leader who does not command the support/respect of his own MPs. Diane Abbot as shadow Home Secretary and McDonnell as shadow Chancellor.

Then on the Tory side we have May who is useless and a liar. She is, IMO, undermining the Brexit process to either halt it or force Brino (that is a separate thread though). SHe was useless as Home Secretary and I’ve never liked her.
What are the other options? Gove, Leadsom, Boris, Rudd, Sajid?

But, if we look back in recent times as other leaders of the country, were they any better?
Cameron/Clegg.
Brown.
Bliar.
Major.

Politics has sunk to new lows IMO. No truth/honesty, but is that the way it’s always been and we look back at the past and think things were better?

We have both a crap opposition and government at this point. I cringe whenever I see May.
They were better,marginally. Maybe not so open in their attempt for self gain. Blair is much maligned about the war and rightly so but I don't think he did any more than any of the others would have done in same position.
 


Wardy's twin

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Oct 21, 2014
8,377
Personally won't be voting Labour if JC is still leader. He might be a nice bloke but his supporters are not. There view is any moderate supporter is being tarred as a closet Tory and should be ousted ....well that will not win elections.
 

Stat Brother

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Jul 11, 2003
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They were better,marginally. Maybe not so open in their attempt for self gain. Blair is much maligned about the war and rightly so but I don't think he did any more than any of the others would have done in same position.

The thing with all those named, and everyone before them, you pretty much knew exactly what you were getting.
We knew where they stood on most issues and didn't get that much wishy-washy faffing about.

Sure there's always been an 'Et tu, Brute' aspect in politics but it's ridiculous to have both major parties being so insular and self-regarding while it feels like the country is heading toward the iceberg with nobody at the helm.
 

happypig

Staring at the rude boys
May 23, 2009
7,928
Eastbourne
I reckon (and I could be well wide of the mark) that Corbyn is expecting Brexit to be a disaster and the country will be in the mire financially. This will cause such instability that the tories will implode and there will be a general election which Corbyn will win with a workable majority. His will then use his five years to implement a massive program of wealth redistribution and cancellation of Trident, with the justification that if the rich don't pay more then it'll be hospital closures and the like.
Personally I'd rather he acted like the Leader of the Opposition on Brexit and, despite "the will of the people", opposed it at every turn.
 

Stat Brother

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Jul 11, 2003
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I reckon (and I could be well wide of the mark) that Corbyn is expecting Brexit to be a disaster and the country will be in the mire financially. This will cause such instability that the tories will implode and there will be a general election which Corbyn will win with a workable majority. His will then use his five years to implement a massive program of wealth redistribution and cancellation of Trident, with the justification that if the rich don't pay more then it'll be hospital closures and the like.
Personally I'd rather he acted like the Leader of the Opposition on Brexit and, despite "the will of the people", opposed it at every turn.

The problem with Corbyn is I don't think many of us think he's capable of that level for forethought.

Plus who'd vote for someone who idly sat by while the country plunged into 'disaster'?
 


midnight_rendezvous

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Aug 10, 2012
3,737
The Black Country
Corbyn isn't perfect, but he is the person who has been twice chosen by the membership to lead the Labour Party (both landslide victories). If the so-called 'Centrists' respected the membership AT ALL they'd stop their internal wrecking games and actually oppose the Tories.

The whole issues on anti semitism in Labour is certainly ugly. However, the most recent outrage comes from JC sharing a stage with a holocaust survivor who criticised Israel and compared their dehumanisation of Palestinians to that of the Nazis. It’s unreal in this day an age that anyone would call a holocaust survivor anti-Semitic. And that’s part of the problem, any time anyone criticises Israel their branded anti-Semitic.

Just this week the Israeli opposition leader said he fears Israel is becoming a fascist state (nation state law, academic repression, govt interference in arts & music, erosion of justice system). Many on UK political right would brand him an anti-Semite for raising these concerns!
 

DumLum

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Oct 24, 2009
3,772
West, West, West Sussex.
Corbyn isn't perfect, but he is the person who has been twice chosen by the membership to lead the Labour Party (both landslide victories). If the so-called 'Centrists' respected the membership AT ALL they'd stop their internal wrecking games and actually oppose the Tories.

The whole issues on anti semitism in Labour is certainly ugly. However, the most recent outrage comes from JC sharing a stage with a holocaust survivor who criticised Israel and compared their dehumanisation of Palestinians to that of the Nazis. It’s unreal in this day an age that anyone would call a holocaust survivor anti-Semitic. And that’s part of the problem, any time anyone criticises Israel their branded anti-Semitic.

Just this week the Israeli opposition leader said he fears Israel is becoming a fascist state (nation state law, academic repression, govt interference in arts & music, erosion of justice system). Many on UK political right would brand him an anti-Semite for raising these concerns!

I'm desperate to vote Labour but won't because Corbyn has already told the world he wouldn't press the button. You don't have to, it's a bluff that's how it works but he has shown he doesn't understand this.
 

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