Totally this.
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O/T Question regarding Work Training outside normal working hours.
- Thread starter Mellor 3 Ward 4
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Totally this.
I agree to a point ...... but you also don't want to look a push over and it's a careful balancing act. My experience of work with public sector workers, and in particularly public sector managers, is that they are sticklers for rules - little or no flexibility. They have absolutely no right to know 'why' she can't do the dates she's previously highlighted as not possible. Personally, if she doesn't want to kick up a fuss, then I would just lie and give reasons that are quite obvious why she can't attend.
seagullsovergrimsby
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As a former union rep this is the advice I've given to non union members and if no leeway is given after the "personal chat" they've had the option of joining the union to give them representation.
Creaky
Well-known member
Wouldn't that very much depend on whether or not the employer is contracted to carry out the training?
In many situations there is only a requirement for a certain number of employees to have a particular qualification.
Again. in the case of my wife, the company offers various training courses without charge but these are held outside normal working hours and without payment nor time off in lieu.
Of course this may be one of the reasons there is such a shortage of care workers.
Lord Bracknell
On fire
Things have obviously changed since I was a public sector manager.
The poster said their partner wanted to progress. If someone bowled up to me without any initial discussion and stated "you are obliged to arrange training within my contacted working hours" I'd make a "note" of their personality, diplomacy and their negotiating ability.
- Jul 10, 2003
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Those that dive straight into the the legal/formal route are those that seem to have most problems with inflexible managers/structures - who'd have thought that ?
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Tight shorts
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I am in a very similar position and indeed it may be the same training, which was initially hurriedly arranged with limited notice, as a result of which hardly anyone could attend and had to be rearranged. Staff fed back that they needed several months notice and could do maybe one weekend a month over 4 or 5 months but we were ignored and were booked in to 3 weekends within a month, with 1 month's notice given. Luckily I can just about make it (but missing 2 home games) but I would not be prepared to cancel more important arrangements to attend the training, so I would suggest that she sticks to her guns if she feels strongly enough about it and just give generic reasons for her non attendance.
Mellor 3 Ward 4
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Thanks for that, yes, sounds like the same training.
If you are a STH will you get reimbursed, or are you expected to just take the hit?
Thanks to everyone else for your comments, I think a couple of conversations on Monday is the way to go.
Bob!
Coffee Buyer
- Jul 5, 2003
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Her contract probably states something along the lines of:
You will, on occasion be required to work evenings or weekends.
Da Man Clay
T'Blades
- Dec 16, 2004
- 16,254
Sledgehammer to crack a nut. Totally ott. Sensible conversation is the way to go. If they demand reasons I would just be making up weddings or christenings!
tedebear
Legal Alien
Bloody hell, the man speaketh sense ;-)Those that dive straight into the the legal/formal route are those that seem to have most problems with inflexible managers/structures - who'd have thought that ?
Gullflyinghigh
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- Apr 23, 2012
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As others have already said, a sensible conversation is probably the best way to go.
It's probably likely that they've had to book the training at their optimal time (the dates the majority said they could go for) knowing that some wouldn't be able to make it regardless. I would be astonished if they were expecting every single people to make it as that rarely ever happens, even during work hours. As for asking exactly why she can't make it, nothing wrong with politely informing them that it's not actually any of their concern and that by advising she's unable to make it she's already done her bit.
It's probably likely that they've had to book the training at their optimal time (the dates the majority said they could go for) knowing that some wouldn't be able to make it regardless. I would be astonished if they were expecting every single people to make it as that rarely ever happens, even during work hours. As for asking exactly why she can't make it, nothing wrong with politely informing them that it's not actually any of their concern and that by advising she's unable to make it she's already done her bit.
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
"personal reasons she doesn't want to go into"
drew
Drew
Sensible conversation is the route but is there any reason why she wouldn't advise why she can't do the dates, even though they might not be legally entitled to know. Would show a willingness to cooperate rather then sledgehammer approach of some posters.