Fox hunting

drew · Dec 28, 2014

Creaky said:
Again you are only associating those taking part in hunts as those in pink coats riding a horse - there are/were far more people taking part in hunts that are not in this category.

I think some are a bit too generalising however, if you took out those that ride with the hunt then I doubt there would be much appetite from a Tory government to repeal the Act. The question then is who are those that ride. Generally, I suspect that the majority (whilst not toffs in the true sense of the word) are certainly the more wealthy in society. Yes you might get a few like Junior but the majority are not on the national average wage!

As for hunting itself, I just wish those that advocate a return are actually honest enough to admit it has nothing to do with controlling the number of pests but is about having fun.

drew · Dec 28, 2014

junior said:
http://www.vet-wildlifemanagement.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=30&Itemid=32

This should quieten all those who believe hunting foxes with hounds is inhumane.

As others have said, that is only an opinion, not scientific fact. It is also only supported by about 3% of vet (540 out of 18000+) and it would be interesting to see what proportion of their livelihood is derived from hunting and/or equine practice?

It is also comical to suggest that the stress of a fox fleeing for it's life is no different to the stresses an athlete endures. As far as I'm aware, athletes don't enter a race with the fear of dying if they come anywhere less than first! He also comments Neither wild nor domestic animals appear to have any premonition of death. No shit sherlock! They may not have an 'understanding' of death per se but they certainly have a fear of injury. If they didn't, then why to they take flight?

Arkwright · Dec 28, 2014

lawros left foot said:
I grew up in the country, we had chickens, we made our hen house fox proof, it isnt that difficult as most of us are intellectually superior to foxes

Hoorah for you! Sadly one of the local Game Keepers who lost over a thousand pheasant chicks to foxes clearly needs your superior intelligence to assist him making a fox proof run, send me your card and I'll forward it you could make a few bob.

BadFish · Dec 28, 2014

Arkwright said:
Hoorah for you! Sadly one of the local Game Keepers who lost over a thousand pheasant chicks to foxes clearly needs your superior intelligence to assist him making a fox proof run, send me your card and I'll forward it you could make a few bob.

How many foxes? Call the hunt they will get rid of them, one a week, they will be gone in no time.

Herr Tubthumper · Dec 28, 2014

Wouldn't happen in Germany

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...er-hunting-with-hounds-is-still-verboten.html

wehatepalace · Dec 28, 2014

I actually went down to the Crawley and Horsham meet on Boxing Day and I was surprised at the numbers down there both mounted and on foot.

I had a chat with the master of the hunt and he said the hunt is becoming more and more popular year on year partly because they now chase a laid down scent rather than the fox, he also said that even before the ban they rarely caught the fox.

The C&H had some members prosecuted a few years back, which did paint the hunt in a bad light, which they had gradually overcome.
He doesn't really mind the ban and says it has been the making of his hunt

He was keen to point out that fox numbers do need controlling and shooting them is difficult as there are a lot of shotgun holders around but not so many firearms and to shoot a fox at distance a shotgun is no good.

He was quite posh, I however am not but I certainly didn't feel the class divide.

Crispy Ambulance said:
Will it feck! Hope you fall off your horse and get trampled with long term paralysis being the desired outcome!

Crispy Ambulance said:
I'd love it if you climbed up on the Amex roof - and fell off! Would be even better if on pay per view!

Crispy Ambulance said:
So when are you doing your sky dive, brave boy?

Crispy Ambulance said:
You were going to jump from the Amex roof (without safety harness -hopefully!).

I'm not anti toff - I just don't like cvnts! And you are a complete cvnt! Got it now?

Crispy Ambulance said:
Wishful thinking then on my part (and a fair few others).

Crispy Ambulance said:
You haven't got any! Not be use you're a toff, because you're a cvnt! Get the message!

Crispy Ambulance said:
Lance Corporal cvnt can't answer that. Not because he's a 'toff'. Because he's a complete cvnt!

Crispy Ambulance said:
What's happening soft lad? Been a bit quiet for a couple of hours.

Crispy Ambulance said:
Thanks, that's a really good, balanced view.

But junior's still a cvnt!

Having read the entire thread, regardless of the rights or wrongs of Fox Hunting, you've not really added anything to this thread, you've clearly singled Junior out for abuse.

Calling him a c##t over and over again doesn't really make you come across very well.

Crispy Ambulance · Dec 28, 2014

Yeah, you're right, I did bang on a bit. Apologies junior.

clapham_gull · Dec 28, 2014

Still no answer about the hounds. But I'm not surprised. I suspect like most meat eaters the participants don't really care what has to happen behind the scenes.

Again above, all the focus on the fox. Numbers need to be controlled etc.. No argument with that but the breeding and early extermination of thousands of dogs to do so ?

Why not let the dogs into the wild then ? I'm sure they would catch more.

wehatepalace · Dec 28, 2014

clapham_gull said:
Still no answer about the hounds. But I'm not surprised. I suspect like most meat eaters the participants don't really care what has to happen behind the scenes.

Again above, all the focus on the fox. Numbers need to be controlled etc.. No argument with that but the breeding and early extermination of thousands of dogs to do so ?

Why not let the dogs into the wild then ? I'm sure they would catch more.

Not sure what happens to the hounds, but having been around them the other day they are certainly very friendly dogs so I'd be surprised if they couldn't be rehomed, they were quite smelly though :lolol:

drew · Dec 28, 2014

wehatepalace said:
Not sure what happens to the hounds, but having been around them the other day they are certainly very friendly dogs so I'd be surprised if they couldn't be rehomed, they were quite smelly though

http://www.nwhsa.org.uk/hypocrites.html

http://www.dover.uk.com/forums/dover-forum/what-happens-to-old-hunting-hounds

http://www.powa.org.uk/id82.html

wehatepalace · Dec 28, 2014

drew said:
http://www.nwhsa.org.uk/hypocrites.html

http://www.dover.uk.com/forums/dover-forum/what-happens-to-old-hunting-hounds

http://www.powa.org.uk/id82.html

I guess due to not being domesticated and living in a pack is a big obstacle.
Shame they were very friendly and really good round the kids too.

BigGully · Dec 28, 2014

clapham_gull said:
Still no answer about the hounds. But I'm not surprised. I suspect like most meat eaters the participants don't really care what has to happen behind the scenes.

Again above, all the focus on the fox. Numbers need to be controlled etc.. No argument with that but the breeding and early extermination of thousands of dogs to do so ?

Why not let the dogs into the wild then ? I'm sure they would catch more.

Isnt there a similar story with competing greyhounds, although I have been told they make great pets.

clapham_gull · Dec 28, 2014

wehatepalace said:
I guess due to not being domesticated and living in a pack is a big obstacle.

The big obstacle is being bred for the purpose of hunting.

BigGully · Dec 28, 2014

clapham_gull said:
The big obstacle is being bred for the purpose of hunting.

Isnt being bred to 'enhance' any human endevour a problem for most species ...

clapham_gull · Dec 28, 2014

BigGully said:
Isnt being bred to 'enhance' any human endevour a problem for most species ...

Of course, I'm just always surprised at the ignorance surrounding animals used in sport.

I also find the reluctance of those supporting fox hunting to talk about it annoying. They've heard all the fox complaints before.

I'm quite agnostic towards it in truth. I'd like a bit more honesty in the debate. It's quite an easy question isn't it ? How many hounds did your hunt put down last year ?

If hunting with dogs is effective (as argued) than surely discussion of the above has to form part of the argument.

BigGully · Dec 28, 2014

clapham_gull said:
Of course, I'm just always surprised at the ignorance surrounding animals used in sport.

I also find the reluctance of those supporting fox hunting to talk about it annoying. They've heard all the fox complaints before.

I'm quite agnostic towards it in truth. I'd like a bit more honesty in the debate. It's quite an easy question isn't it ? How many hounds did your hunt put down last year ?

If hunting with dogs is effective (as argued) than surely discussion of the above has to form part of the argument.

Someone somewhere has agreed that they needs a continuous fox cull, I suspect lorry loads are shot monthly, many maimed and having a wretched death, perhaps worse than with hounds, this actually saddens me, but I have to assume this is a necessary evil ( the reduction in their population ).

If that is the starting point then I reluctantly think that perhaps targeting fox hunts and in many circumstance with a prejudice against the perceived class of those participating is hypocritical, why not protest against the marksman or the decision makers that assure us all it is necessary.

I cannot understand that those vehemently against fox hunting are then not aware of other practices that perhaps have a greater impact on animal cruelty and if not why not.

lawros left foot · Dec 28, 2014

Arkwright said:
Hoorah for you! Sadly one of the local Game Keepers who lost over a thousand pheasant chicks to foxes clearly needs your superior intelligence to assist him making a fox proof run, send me your card and I'll forward it you could make a few bob.

Or he could just do his job properly, the gamekeepers I knew never had much of a problem with foxes

DavidinSouthampton · Dec 28, 2014

Agree with the "cruel and barbaric" view.

But the main thing which gets me is people who claimed that the ban was down to the "politics of envy". If I wanted to charge around the countryside on a horse and wearing a silly red coat, I would order my life to enable me to do so. But I have no desire to do so whatsoever.

clapham_gull · Dec 28, 2014

BigGully said:
Someone somewhere has agreed that they needs a continuous fox cull, I suspect lorry loads are shot monthly, many maimed and having a wretched death, perhaps worse than with hounds, this actually saddens me, but I have to assume this is a necessary evil ( the reduction in their population ).

If that is the starting point then I reluctantly think that perhaps targeting fox hunts and in many circumstance with a prejudice against the perceived class of those participating is hypocritical, why not protest against the marksman or the decision makers that assure us all it is necessary.

I cannot understand that those vehemently against fox hunting are then not aware of other practices that perhaps have a greater impact on animal cruelty and if not why not.

Again focusing on the fox !

Really just like someone to explain how breeding and routinely exterminating thousands of dogs to kill a few foxes is the most effective way.

But it isn't about controlling foxes is it ? No-one in their right mind would come up with that.

It a sport. At least attempt to defend it on that basis.

sir albion · Dec 28, 2014

Maybe we need a cull on humans as we have way to many

If we have to many foxes then so what...Its all part of life :thumbsup:

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