Ashley Barnes, The Latest: Ashley Barnes Signs for Burnley Confirmation

Greavsey · Jan 10, 2014

I can't understand why people are wetting themselves about this when you look at the bare fact that we will lose him for nothing in the summer. If we can get £750k now to contribute towards a better replacement that might be more suited to OG's future tactics then it is fantastic business. Surely even the most ardent Ashley fan couldn't tell me that he is make or break for the remainder of this season to the point where we can piss £750k up the wall??
Anyone would think we were selling Ulloa based on some of the reaction on this thread!

Greavsey · Jan 10, 2014

gripper stebson said:
They are very happy that they have 'stolen' our top scorer from under our noses...

http://nonaynever.net/18080/barnes-signing-is-a-metaphor/

"The signing of Ashley Barnes is more than that though. It affects more than just tactics. It’s a metaphor. A metaphor for commitment, belief and increasing ambitions. It’s a message to the rest of the league but more importantly though, it’s a message to ourselves."

Jesus wept. We are taking them to the cleaners!

The Wizard · Jan 10, 2014

Dick Knights Mumm said:
It does seem difficult to pass any slightly negative comment about the bloke without being treated like a "hater". It is strange how he polarises opinions.

Yep true, I think what causes arguments is people who can't see what he gives a team aside from as a goalscorer, you can understand people disliking a player as we all disagree on things in life but most of the time it's the way these people do seem to 'hate' him by not acknowledging anything good about the bloke.

I find it exceptionally boring to be honest, same argument on every single Barnes thread it's ridiculous.

Papa Lazarou · Jan 10, 2014

The Wizard said:
Yep true, I think what causes arguments is people who can't see what he gives a team aside from as a goalscorer, you can understand people disliking a player as we all disagree on things in life but most of the time it's the way these people do seem to 'hate' him by not acknowledging anything good about the bloke.

I find it exceptionally boring to be honest, same argument on every single Barnes thread it's ridiculous.

I acknowledge that he has played well this season, and has scored a few goals. He always gave 100% (whatever that means) and was tenacious alll over the pitch. However, he was soon to be 3rd choice striker (when CMS is fit) and possibly 4th behind Obika. We did well to get some money for him before he ran his contract down. Bye Bye Ashley, it's been emotional.

Dick Knights Mumm · Jan 10, 2014

The Wizard said:
Yep true, I think what causes arguments is people who can't see what he gives a team aside from as a goalscorer, you can understand people disliking a player as we all disagree on things in life but most of the time it's the way these people do seem to 'hate' him by not acknowledging anything good about the bloke.

I find it exceptionally boring to be honest, same argument on every single Barnes thread it's ridiculous.

Argument is fine. It is the personal abuse where someone has a different opinion, or even dismissing of views with "JCL". You are right - it is ridiculous.

B.W. · Jan 10, 2014

Greavsey said:
I can't understand why people are wetting themselves about this when you look at the bare fact that we will lose him for nothing in the summer. If we can get £750k now to contribute towards a better replacement that might be more suited to OG's future tactics then it is fantastic business. Surely even the most ardent Ashley fan couldn't tell me that he is make or break for the remainder of this season to the point where we can piss £750k up the wall??
Anyone would think we were selling Ulloa based on some of the reaction on this thread!

100% correct. An average Championship striker (by which I mean a good, not great, player) goes to Burnley to sit on their bench, pending Ings possible sale. He would have left us for nowt in the summer. We now have more than £750k to put towards a 'replacement', rather than £0. This is very good business for the Albion.

Ash was our Ulloa backup, sometimes played alongside him. Ulloa is our inarguable number 1 striker. Personally, I see CMS as our number 2 striker simply because he can complement Ulloa better than Barnes can (providing he gets back with the pace he had previously). We WILL replace Barnes. If we landed Joe Mason, for example, we would be getting in a player with a similar, if not better, track record.

From the posts of some on here you would think the Albion's world had come crashing down around their ears. The truth is that Barnes' departure is far far less significant than Ince signing his contract extension.

SittingbourneSeagull · Jan 10, 2014

Papa Lazarou said:
I acknowledge that he has played well this season, and has scored a few goals. He always gave 100% (whatever that means) and was tenacious alll over the pitch. However, he was soon to be 3rd choice striker (when CMS is fit) and possibly 4th behind Obika. We did well to get some money for him before he ran his contract down. Bye Bye Ashley, it's been emotional.

That's not right. Under Gus and Oscar he has always had a place in the team because they can see what he offers.. He is seen as more then a striker because he offers so much else to the team. Sadly he has never been properly appreciated by the 'fans' at this club and I hope that this deal does not come back to haunt us.
If you watch him in matches, he takes up fantastic positions in the box and considering he has played wide on the left for the last few years his goal return is exceptional.
Sad day for the club.

Bold Seagull · Jan 10, 2014

Papa Lazarou said:
However, he was soon to be 3rd choice striker (when CMS is fit) and possibly 4th behind Obika.

Those two statements are really based on a lot of 'hope'.

There have been many players seen their careers ended by the CMS type injury. I'm not sure what we'll see from CMS. It could take him 6 more months to get back playing to the level he was at, if he ever can. Not even sure we should be equating CMS into our plans. Massive boost if he does make it back, but I fear for him I really do.

As for Obika, who knows what we'll get from him. How many loan strikers have we had over the past 3 seasons who have done really well?

Barnes would still be second choice striker for me, but the fact he can also play in midfield and is that flexible, I like others would rather see him stay, even at the loss of a fee, than be weakened by his departure.

B.W. · Jan 10, 2014

SittingbourneSeagull said:
That's not right. Under Gus and Oscar he has always had a place in the team because they can see what he offers.. He is seen as more then a striker because he offers so much else to the team. Sadly he has never been properly appreciated by the 'fans' at this club and I hope that this deal does not come back to haunt us.
If you watch him in matches, he takes up fantastic positions in the box and considering he has played wide on the left for the last few years his goal return is exceptional.
Sad day for the club.

His goal return should be a lot better than it is.

Dave Armstrong's Hare · Jan 10, 2014

Papa Lazarou said:
he was soon to be 3rd choice striker (when CMS is fit).

I will be happily surprised if after a year out of competitive football and his age profile, that CMS can offer us a promotion winning goal scoring run by the end of this season.

nwgull · Jan 10, 2014

I'm fairly indifferent about Barnes; he is certainly worth his place in the squad but is by no means a star player. £750k is a good deal considering that he had 6 months left, and should enable us to bring in someone else - hopefully someone with more potential.

It's amusing that Burnley fans think it's a result they have stolen our top scorer. Both Crofts and Ulloa have scored as many without the advantage of taking two penalties, and Ulloa has played half as many games.

Fitzcarraldo · Jan 10, 2014

Diego Napier said:
Your one-eyed opinion is all about the goals he's scored. There is much more to his game than that (e.g. creating chances for other by lay-offs, passes and through balls, pressuring defenders and moving them out of position and I've lost count of the times his clearing headers have saved the day at opposition corners.

Let's look at this objectively; on the one hand Gus rated him, Oscar rates him, Leeds rate him, Burnley rate him. On the other hand you don't.

No brainer.

He certainly is trier. And there is a place in the squad for people who put in 100% every game and work really really hard. If we are serious about promotion though, we need our frontline strikers scoring goals. Thems the facts.

nwgull · Jan 10, 2014

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nwgull said:
I'm fairly indifferent about Barnes; he is certainly worth his place in the squad but is by no means a star player. £750k is a good deal considering that he had 6 months left, and should enable us to bring in someone else - hopefully someone with more potential.

It's amusing that Burnley fans think it's a result they have stolen our top scorer. Both Crofts and Ulloa have scored as many without the advantage of taking two penalties, and Ulloa has played half as many games.

Need to add: CMS will be back in a few weeks, and he'd scored 11 goals by this time last season.

The Wizard · Jan 10, 2014

Papa Lazarou said:
I acknowledge that he has played well this season, and has scored a few goals. He always gave 100% (whatever that means) and was tenacious alll over the pitch. However, he was soon to be 3rd choice striker (when CMS is fit) and possibly 4th behind Obika. We did well to get some money for him before he ran his contract down. Bye Bye Ashley, it's been emotional.

I agree. As I said earlier in the thread, been a good servant and scored some important goals for the club but 750k-1M is a good price for him. He's not as good as some seem to making out now he's leaving.

mejonaNO12 aka riskit · Jan 10, 2014

The sentiments regarding the £750k are, of course, correct.

That is an excellent price to get for someone who, it appears, was offski in the summer regardless. We basically get paid £750k to lose him 5 months early, that's good business.

However, from a purely foootballing point of view, I'm gutted.

Giraffe · Jan 10, 2014

Barnes goal scoring record in championship is 31 in 138 games
In League One it is 24 in 57 games.

That says all you need to know about what we have just sold. At Championship level he is always going to be that second striker. He is not a 20 goals a season man, and his value reflects that.

LamieRobertson · Jan 10, 2014

Giraffe said:
Barnes goal scoring record in championship is 31 in 138 games
In League One it is 24 in 57 games.

That says all you need to know about what we have just sold. At Championship level he is always going to be that second striker. He is not a 20 goals a season man, and his value reflects that.

and how many of those championship games did he actually play as a second striker

Papa Lazarou · Jan 10, 2014

LamieRobertson said:
and how many of those championship games did he actually play as a second striker

Or from the penalty spot :moo:

mejonaNO12 aka riskit · Jan 10, 2014

Giraffe said:
Barnes goal scoring record in championship is 31 in 138 games
In League One it is 24 in 57 games.

That says all you need to know about what we have just sold. At Championship level he is always going to be that second striker. He is not a 20 goals a season man, and his value reflects that.

So, if you were a Burnley fan, this time last season you would have been saying the same about Danny Ings.

"He only scored 3 goals in 32 appearances last season, he is not a championship striker. He has 6 goals in 47 games in the Championship. That tells you all you need to know"

He has scored 15 in 23 this season.

somerset · Jan 10, 2014

SittingbourneSeagull said:
That's not right. Under Gus and Oscar he has always had a place in the team because they can see what he offers..

I sincerely believe though, that if we didnt have our torrid injury issues with strikers this season, AB would have been on the fringes behind LU, CMS and WH..... dont beat me up over it, I am expressing a view, its not 'HATE' as some of you love to throw around, its simply that I am not a fan of his from a football perspective ( I dont know him personally, so whats to hate?)

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