[Food] Restaurant meals are higher calories than fast food outlets

Nitram · Dec 13, 2018

The findings have to be viewed in context of the type of food being offered at the ‘restaurants’ which where all chains with 50 or more outlets. Doubt many of the main meals on offer were particularly healthy. Size portions would probably be more than takeaways. Looks like a survey commissioned by McDonalds.

Billy the Fish · Dec 13, 2018

dazzer6666 said:
I'd be very disappointed in a restaurant meal that only had 1000 calories...and the 'health experts' that say meals should be below 600 calories.......on what grounds ? Depends on the rest of your daily intake, and what you're burning off. Really simple equation (for the majority - certain illnesses/conditions excepted) is calories in vs calories out to gain/lose weight.

Meanwhile, north of the border.........

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7895077/scottish-chip-shop-battered-christmas-dinner/

Spot on.

Most diet related articles are absolute bollocks, written by journalists who don't have a clue about nutrition, who are looking for an easy headline.

Herr Tubthumper · Dec 13, 2018

Triggaaar said:
All they need is to make restaurants include the calorie count on the menus, so we can make more informed decisions.

Who the hell goes into a restaurant and calorie counts? I do not eat out so I can spend a couple of hours mithering.

Eat a balanced diet and exercise. It’s this simple.

Lush · Dec 13, 2018

Interesting article about how food has got more unhealthy generally, using this photo of Brighton beach in 1976 to make the point.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/15/age-of-obesity-shaming-overweight-people

(Sorry about double photo)

Knocky's Nose · Dec 13, 2018

Stat Brother said:
Next time have a Bender in a Bun, that'll fill you right up.

Is that the slightly healthier version of 'Gay in a Cake' ? :lolol:

Triggaaar · Dec 13, 2018

Herr Tubthumper said:
Who the hell goes into a restaurant and calorie counts?

I do.

I do not eat out so I can spend a couple of hours mithering.

I don't mither, I just choose something that works with my diet.

Eat a balanced diet and exercise. It’s this simple.

I already do that. For me it would just be helpful to know what I'm eating. For overweight people it would help them make informed decisions and perhaps help with their health.

KZNSeagull · Dec 13, 2018

Lush said:
Interesting article about how food has got more unhealthy generally, using this photo of Brighton beach in 1976 to make the point.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/15/age-of-obesity-shaming-overweight-people

(Sorry about double photo)

The men who made us fat is very interesting, especially the rise of fructose corn syrup. Worth a watch.

Triggaaar · Dec 13, 2018

Triggaaar said:
I wouldn't want something that makes running a small business too difficult. But implementing something that's workable would be good.

Machiavelli said:
Nonsense. This would be a boon for the corporates, and imperil the independents and, in particular, the best of them that do things like re-write menus on a daily basis according to what's the best value and quality produce that's available.

Please keep up at the back.

Not Andy Naylor · Dec 13, 2018

In 'Kitchen Confidential', chef Anthony Bourdain pointed out that restaurants want you to love their food so that you enjoy yourself and will tip well and come back again*. They don't care whether you eat healthily or not. So they go large on butter, oil, cream, salt and other tasty but unhealthy additives.

*Until you die of a heart attack, obviously.

Yes Chef · Dec 13, 2018

I have to say I'm very encouraged by the majority of NSC's responses. The restaurant's cited in the study aren't exactly gourmet either , and the calories are likely to be amplified by the amount of chips and deep fried delights these places offer.

Making informed choices is one thing, but if you want to lose weight then lay off the profiteroles porky, or if you're unsure, a decent waiter will be able to help out.

Triggaaar · Dec 13, 2018

Yes Chef said:
if you're unsure, a decent waiter will be able to help out.

So it's impossible for the restaurant to give any sort of guide on how many calories are in the meal, but the waiter can tell you?

Yes Chef · Dec 13, 2018

Triggaaar said:
So it's impossible for the restaurant to give any sort of guide on how many calories are in the meal, but the waiter can tell you?

Not sure where I said it was impossible, but yes, your waiting staff are as good a guide as any, in a decent place at least.

sebtucknott · Dec 13, 2018

dazzer6666 said:
I'd be very disappointed in a restaurant meal that only had 1000 calories...and the 'health experts' that say meals should be below 600 calories.......on what grounds ? Depends on the rest of your daily intake, and what you're burning off. Really simple equation (for the majority - certain illnesses/conditions excepted) is calories in vs calories out to gain/lose weight.

Meanwhile, north of the border.........

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7895077/scottish-chip-shop-battered-christmas-dinner/

Unfortunately it's not this simple, all calories aren't equal -

https://drhyman.com/blog/2014/04/10/calories-dont-matter/

Secondly calorie in vs out isn't that simple either -

Lets say you diet with a 1750 in - 2000 out = -250

If you have a calorie deficit, your body sees that as a risk to life and goes into "energy saving" mode. Suddenly your 2000 calories/day burned become 1500. Now your balance is this -

1750in - 1500 out = 250 gain!

Obviously lots of other factors in play.

https://www.t-nation.com/diet-fat-loss/a-calorie-is-sometimes-not-a-calorie
https://www.transparentlabs.com/blogs/all/everything-you-need-to-know-about-thermogenesis
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC524030/

TL;LR -

Calories are a far too simplistic look at diet, there are far bigger issues causing our obesity epidemic.

Herr Tubthumper · Dec 13, 2018

Triggaaar said:
I do.
I don't mither, I just choose something that works with my diet.

I already do that. For me it would just be helpful to know what I'm eating. For overweight people it would help them make informed decisions and perhaps help with their health.

But you can make informed decisions, Poached eggs and salmon over a full English. Fish over meat. Go for sushi instead of a curry. A half of craft beer over 15 pints of Stella. Etc etc.

Psychobilly freakout · Dec 13, 2018

Doubt any sit down can beat this gem from over the wall 'Britain's unhealthiest takeaway' is 7,000 calorie box of fried treats and bottle of Irn-Bru - for under £10

Add some doorstop white bread, and I might just make me some sandwiches outta that little lot.....

Oh & Mayo....

Triggaaar · Dec 13, 2018

Herr Tubthumper said:
Go for sushi instead of a curry.

Bit difficult when you're in an Indian restaurant.

Triggaaar · Dec 13, 2018

sebtucknott said:
Unfortunately it's not this simple, all calories aren't equal

This bit is true, all calories are not equal.

Secondly calorie in vs out isn't that simple either

Yes it is.

Lets say you diet with a 1750 in - 2000 out = -250

If you have a calorie deficit, your body sees that as a risk to life and goes into "energy saving" mode.

That is incorrect. Any article suggesting that you go into 'starvation mode' when you've got a bit of a calorie deficit is talking absolute shit. I'm not guessing. When you lose weight, yes your TDEE (Total Daily Energy Expenditure) will go down a bit, so in order to keep losing weight you may need to then drop the calories further, but if you're TDEE is 2000 (with your diet - ie, what form those calories take), and you consume 1750, then you will lose weight, and continue losing weight until you are light enough for you new TDEE to be 1750.

Calories are a far too simplistic look at diet

A bit of common sense along with learning a bit about how many calories you're eating is all you really need.

Machiavelli · Dec 13, 2018

Triggaaar said:
Please keep up at the back.

I'm not at the back, if anyone is you are for posting irreconcilable points, AND expecting me to read everything you post.

pearl · Dec 13, 2018

Lush said:
Interesting article about how food has got more unhealthy generally, using this photo of Brighton beach in 1976 to make the point.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/15/age-of-obesity-shaming-overweight-people

(Sorry about double photo)

that is really interesting, thank you for posting :thumbsup:

Triggaaar · Dec 13, 2018

Machiavelli said:
I'm not at the back, if anyone is you are for posting irreconcilable points

I didn't. We already have laws that apply differently to large companies than small businesses. It's not beyond the wit of man to require a chain of restaurants, with a fixed menu, to have stricter rules on declaring the calories in food, than a small business with a menu which regularly changes.

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