spring hall convert
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Ok. In your original post, you said you "Couldn't see what the problem is." Having read through this thread, can you now see what the problem is?
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Ok. In your original post, you said you "Couldn't see what the problem is." Having read through this thread, can you now see what the problem is?
spring hall convert
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Just read it. We are saying the same thing.
Not really. This was your response to someone who said they 'can't see what the problem is.'
There's a lot of excuses being made there. I don't 'get what he is trying to say.' I wouldn't have nodded my head at someone talking such crap. As for the 'PC hounds,' this isn't your Grandad saying coloured when he means black, this is a man, uninvited, causing misery for survivors of child sexual abuse, whether that was his intention or not.
Freedom of speech doesn't mean you can go around saying stupid, offensive things with impunity. It doesn't exist so that people of privilege can heap further misery upon the most vulnerable people in society. Bristow has quite rightly been called to account and I just don't see how anyone could think this is a bad thing (note: I'm not saying that you are)
The fact that his manager tried to charge the BBC £5000 (+VAT) for an interview is the icing on this particular cake.
spring hall convert
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What Bristow has said, has undoubtedly caused suffering to the survivors of child sexual abuse in football (both those who have waived their right to anonymity and those that haven't even reported it yet.) and likely beyond.
Is that not a problem?
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Bob'n'weave
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There is no cake. Just kids getting abused. If you bothered to re-quote me in full you may gain a better perspective on my point. Put the focus on where it should be, getting kids to speak out, not vilifying a prat. Move on.
spring hall convert
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Getting kids to speak out and Bristow talking this rubbish don't exist in isolation. That's my point.
If you want people to talk out about CSA then, people have to feel comfortable that attitudes like Bristow's aren't a majority perspective. For someone to just say it's 'not a problem.' is miles from the truth.
spring hall convert
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The problem isn't really that he thinks that they should have sorted the perpetrators out. I'm sure most of the survivors think that (which makes this all the more pernicious.)
The problem is that he called survivors of child sexual abuse wimps for not doing it on order to make some ridiculously boorish point about the relative merits of football players and darts players. It's absolutely vile.
Bob'n'weave
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But they do exist in isolation. A kid getting abused does not give a flying pigs ear what Eric Bristow thinks or says. Put the focus where it needs to be.
Freedom of speech, Eric Bristow and Grandad saying 'coloured people' are another conversation entirely.
spring hall convert
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I am not saying I think a kid being abused is specifically bothered about an 80's darts player's opinion about their plight. Of course I'm not. I do think it important to create a climate where disclosure is welcomed and publicly questioning attitudes like Bristow's goes some way to doing this. It's not either/or, we can encourage disclosure, while questioning attitudes like Bristow's
As an aside, I've only just watched his interview from this morning and to try and claim he did it with the motive of getting more people to speak out is a ****ing disgrace.
Bob'n'weave
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That is probably after a career crisis meeting with his agent, or someone with a brain. Too little too late Eric.
Nuff said.
