Gay cake row.

DavidinSouthampton · May 20, 2015

drew said:
I respect that.

It's not a compulsory part of the faith to be against gay marriage. Some will support (as I do) or tolerate the idea, some will be ok with the gay thing but for reasons of dogma be against gay marriage, some will believe that homosexuality is a sin and some will be just plain homophobic. As you said in another context, it's not black and white.

desprateseagull · May 20, 2015

Was there a shortage of cake shops ('gay', or otherwise!), in that town?

Westdene Seagull · May 20, 2015

desprateseagull said:
Was there a shortage of cake shops ('gay', or otherwise!), in that town?

Why should the amount of shops matter ? Or are you suggesting a bit of sexual apartheid in the cake shop world ?

Blue Valkyrie · May 20, 2015

Sounds like the complainants just want to have their cake and eat it.

WATFORD zero · May 20, 2015

Both parties got what they wanted - publicity

Everyone is happy so it's win, win really :thumbsup:

Badger · May 20, 2015

http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/...of-bread-rolls-to-homosexuality-2015052098454

A GAY wedding cake has turned some bread rolls gay after being left beside them on a bakery counter.
Seeded bap Tom Booker was one of 18 identical bread rolls left to cool beside a homosexual cake made for a gay wedding.
Booker said: “The cake was asking us what sort of music we were into. I said classic rock, like Fleetwood Mac and Dire Straits, and it laughed then suggested should I check out Scissor Sisters and 80s hi-NRG disco.
“As the chat progressed it asked if I had ever been with a man bap. I said that was wrong but the cake said that’s just what the baker tells you to make you behave around customers.”
Baker Norman Steele said: “I came in to pick up the cake and all the bread rolls were having gay sex with each other.
“The way that works is that two bread rolls squeeze together like buttocks and another one gets in between and make groaning noises.
“I can’t sell them now.”

Pretty pink fairy · May 20, 2015

Leekbrookgull said:
Not wanting to sound like a bigot etc,but does this mean the cake company now have to bake the cake and if so are they not being discriminated against ? Each to their own lifestyle choice,but in this case don't the Bakers have a choice ?http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-32791239

Gay activists, the ones that like to ram it down your throat so to speak
Regards
DR :drama:

Gazwag · May 20, 2015

This could be a money making opportunity -

I could go into a catholic run cake shop and asked for a "I support abortions" cake and if they refuse I could win £500; or
go into a Conservative run cake shop and ask for a "Labour rules" cake and get another £500;
then onto Croydon and ask for a "Love BHAFC Hate Palace" cake kerching another £500

Thunder Bolt · May 20, 2015

DavidinSouthampton said:
It's not a compulsory part of the faith to be against gay marriage. Some will support (as I do) or tolerate the idea, some will be ok with the gay thing but for reasons of dogma be against gay marriage, some will believe that homosexuality is a sin and some will be just plain homophobic. As you said in another context, it's not black and white.

Gay marriage is not permitted in Northern Ireland. The slogan wanted was 'Support Gay Marriage' which is a political statement. The ruling against the Ashers was that it was homophobic against the buyer, but they said they didn't know his sexual orientation, and would have refused to bake the cake for a hetereosexual.

Eeyore · May 20, 2015

peterward · May 20, 2015

GT49er said:
Now that the complainant has won his case and his fifteen minutes of fame, will he carry on his campaign against bigotry by commissioning a small bakery run by a devout Muslim family to produce a similar cake? And what might the outcome be?

Similarly, what might be the outcome if a Christian run bakery refused to bake a cake celebrating IS, or a Muslim run bakery refused to make a cake celebrating Zionism and the Jewish settlements in the West Bank? This seems like a very flawed judgement to me.

The theory in your post is spot on, the baker should appeal.

It is an offence to discriminate against an individual but that never happened in this case.... The gay fella had bought other stuff before and even since the cake in question
The baker had no idea the orderer was gay. He refused because he didn't agree with message in the same way a Muslim baker wouldn't write something against mohammed or a gay baker would right something against homosexuality.

To discriminate against a customer based on sexuality or race or religion is wrong. To refuse to write something is not.

If a guy in a palace shirt walks into my bakers I can't refuse to serve him and nor would I, but if he asks me to write "cpfc rule and Brighton are shit" I am not going to write that.

Wrong-Direction · May 20, 2015

The baker should just RISE above it, its the yeast he can do..

BensGrandad · May 20, 2015

I believe that any person should be able offer or refuse service to somebody if they so desire and for whatever reason.

drew · May 20, 2015

BensGrandad said:
I believe that any person should be able offer or refuse service to somebody if they so desire and for whatever reason.

Then you are a sad relic of colonial days long gone.

Are you seriously saying that someone should have the right to pick and chose who may enter their shop. No blacks, asians, muslims, buddhists, etc etc.

edna krabappel · May 20, 2015

BensGrandad said:
I believe that any person should be able offer or refuse service to somebody if they so desire and for whatever reason.

Frutos · May 20, 2015

BensGrandad said:
I believe that any person should be able offer or refuse service to somebody if they so desire and for whatever reason.

You really don't live in this century, do you?

edna krabappel · May 20, 2015

Frutos said:
You really don't live in this century, do you?

Perhaps we should refuse to let him on NSC because he's old?

BensGrandad · May 20, 2015

Frutos said:
You really don't live in this century, do you?

Are times better now for these laws, I am not sure they are. Wetherspoons just lost a case when a doorman refused entry to some travellers, glad I am not still involved in the pub trade now.

I just believe that if I dont wish to serve you for whatever reason that should be my perogative, as it is my business to do as I please, right or wrong. Old fashioned it may be.

MattBackHome · May 20, 2015

BensGrandad said:
Are times better now for these laws, I am not sure they are. Wetherspoons just lost a case when a doorman refused entry to some travellers, glad I am not still involved in the pub trade now.

Were you in the pub trade then?

Frutos · May 20, 2015

BensGrandad said:
Are times better now for these laws, I am not sure they are.

If "these laws" make discrimination illegal, then yes times are definitely better.

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