[Other Sport] Poor Serena

Tyrone Biggums said:

And you completely ignore the single image drawn with huge lips. Well done you.



Do you even understand how caricatures work?

Exaggerating prominent features is literally the basis of that drawing style.

If someone was going to caricature the shape of her face her nose and lips are the most prominent features of HER face.

Yes he could draw a more flattering caricature, the point I believe was to make her seem ugly because her behaviour was ugly.

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highflyer said:

Lucky for us we've won pretty much everything else throughout history eh?

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Iggle Piggle said:

This popped up on twitter timeline today. It's Serena in some god awful comedy sketch - you wont get the time back - where Amélie Mauresmo is portrayed by a bloke. I'm not sure where this fits into the whole women's rights thing but I'm sure it's fine because she's white, French and a bit big innit.

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Garry Nelson's teacher said:

On a related issue, Caroline Flint (MP) on the BBC politics programme today blamed a lot of the Brexit fall-out on 'willy-waving' by men. (I'm not sure - for obvious reasons - that there's an equivalent sexist remark that could be applied to women but I bet if there was one and that it had been deployed then there would be a bit of a fuss about it.)

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melias shoes said:

Meltdown more like.

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clapham_gull said:

At that end of elite sport, my observation is they are always bad losers - which is one the reasons I can't get into anything other than team sports. It's all about them - which is fine, but I don't really understand my involvement in it as a spectator.

I'm also completely prejudiced against any sport where the spectators are expected to be quiet at certain points.

That cartoon however I found incredibly unsettling, sorry. You can argue to death with me about accentuating features but that completely ignores the history of representing black people and for instance Jewish people too.

Belongs to a different time.

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drew said:

So we completely ban a genre of art because if you can't do a caricature of people from a certain ethnic background because surely that itself is racist as you treating people differently because of their ethnicity!

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Not Andy Naylor said:

It is, and in a way it is only fair if the pendulum swings the other way. But on the other hand, I know I have no chance of a committee post on a professional body I belong to because they want to go younger and more racially diverse and have more women represented. But it's not my fault they only picked white males before though, is it?

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Tyrone Biggums said:

So J K Rowling says this cartoon is racist and people are losing their shit over it.

Seems spot on.

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Simster said:

I agree with the sentiment of the cartoon but am uncomfortable with it playing up to the "sambo" cartoon sterotypes, making her out to be some sort of hefty mama with absolutely massive lips.

Just the sort of lack of sensitivity you might expect from an Australian though - it would have been a much better cartoon had the artist avoided that.

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Tyrone Biggums said:

She is a hefty woman with big lips however. Isn't that physically obvious?

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hans kraay fan club said:

Serena is obviously (and logically) sketched as the 'baddie' of the piece. If ALL the artist is doing here is accentuating her physical characteristics, and not deliberately making any racial comment, can you explain why the (half Japanese / half African American) 'goodie' is sketched as a pretty blonde, and why the (Portuguese) arbiter of the rules is sketched as a white man?

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Not Andy Naylor said:

I'm afraid white males can't win on this one. If we call it as we see it, we're going to be accused of being racist and/or sexist. Somehow Williams imagines she was standing up for women by ranting at an umpire for applying rules and playing the 'I've just had a daughter' card - which isn't sexist in itself? How did Naomi Osaka's rights not to have her first Grand Slam victory overshadowed by Serena's hissy fits play into the whole Williams entitlement thing?

The first time I reported on Serena Williams was on Wimbledon court 16, when she retired injured when a set and 4-1 down to Virginie Ruano Pascual (no, me neither). The injury hadn't been that obvious, as I remember, and she insisted that she would have won otherwise. Somehow she recovered enough to win the mixed doubles title with Max Myrni. The upshot was that I've always seen her as a bad loser (not that she's had much practice, to be fair) and a poor sport and very little has ever happened to make me change my mind. When she loses it's because the world is against her. Venus I've always found to be distant but not unpleasant, although the international tennis media find them both hard to like. A very well-known tennis writer once said to me: 'If only they weren't black, then we could write what we really think about them.'

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hans kraay fan club said:

Serena is obviously (and logically) sketched as the 'baddie' of the piece. You claim the sketch is 'spot on', but if ALL the artist is doing here is accentuating her physical characteristics, and not deliberately making any racial comment, can you explain why the (half Japanese / half African American) 'goodie' is sketched as a pretty blonde, and why the (Portuguese) arbiter of the rules is sketched as a white man?

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Tyrone Biggums said:

The Japanese girl has blonde highlights in her hair. It's as if you've joined in without knowing that.

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hans kraay fan club said:

Ha. You absolute tool. I'm quite a fan of ladies' tennis, as it goes. I know very well what Naomi Osaka looks like, thanks.

If you're really trying to pretend that the Sharapova-like, skinny white blonde in the sketch, is his genuine take on her physical appearance, then you are truly very stupid indeed.

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Simster said:

I had let this go. After all, remember Biggums is a clown who can't see why most same people intensely dislike Trump. He's a lost cause.

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Tyrone Biggums said:

The Osaka character is a shade lighter than the umpire. Think he got her chin spot on.

Have you not noticed that Serena isn't as dark skinned as she naturally is? Funny how cartoon caricatures don't always portray the person exactly as how they appear in real life.

By the way why didn't you respond to the part you raised about portraying the umpire as white?

Is it because you were the idiot and made that silly point? You'd think being such a BIG fan of tennis you'd know such a prominent ref is a white dude.

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hans kraay fan club said:

If you're really trying to pretend that the Sharapova-like, skinny white blonde in the sketch, is his genuine take on her physical appearance, then you are truly very stupid indeed.

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