To which I'd add, seeing as [MENTION=36]Titanic[/MENTION] is a staunch Tory, "because, currently, Labour couldn't beat an egg."
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[Politics] Brexit
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To which I'd add, seeing as [MENTION=36]Titanic[/MENTION] is a staunch Tory, "because, currently, Labour couldn't beat an egg."
Lincoln Imp
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- Feb 2, 2009
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Well there are plenty of reasons why we should have an election but IF we have one is another matter.
This morning's events makes it less likely because if Leadsom had become leader then a small group of Tory MPs would have forced an election. I doubt if they'd kick the whips in the balls if May is there, making soothing noises. I can't imagine Theresa May offering to go to the country on the grounds that most of the Brexit leaders seem to have been stabbed, atomised or caught out in the fortnight since the referendum and therefore it would be reasonable to offer the people a chance to elect a team to take the country forward. Politics doesn't normally work like that, sadly.
East Preston Gull
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Clean Air?It's awful having workers rights protected and clean air to breath isn't it.
The EU and it's disgraceful cave in to the German Car Lobby has resulted in us breathing in poisonous diesel fumes. The rest of the world was spending money on hybrid and electric whilst the Euro car industry was pumping us with dirty fumes.
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GT49er
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Difficult. This particular 'expert's' argument appears to have disappeared up its own .... ! He will, no doubt, be delighted with the referendum, which is, after all, democracy in its purest form.
So what's the point?
pastafarian
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and non of them valid
Are MEPs elected or unelected?
pastafarian
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beorhthelm
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the referendum itself has address directly the question about EU membership, for all its shortcomings. how will a General Election, fought across all policy areas, address these points? are you assuming that the parties will either stand on opposing EU positions to the winner can take forward a fresh EU agenda, or form up on one side so as to invalidate the referendum? for my money the result of a GE tomorrow will be the same as today give or take a dozen or two seats, and the broad pro/anti-EU position of members and parties wouldn't have changed.
GT49er
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They are allocated by their political party - as far as I can remember, we just get to vote for the party; so the party decides who gets a place at the trough - so you could argue that technically the MEPs per se are not elected.
It was absolutely ludicrous and in essence ,because of it's reasons for being brought about, wholly undemocratic to hold a referendum. It would be no more ridiculous to hold a general election. The parliamentary landscape has changed dramatically and catastrophically overnight and the citizens of Britain deserve a say in what happens next. Or the government could reject Brexit and return Britain back to some semblance of sanity with a secure future.
Democracy. We've taken control back, remember?
We had a general election a few months ago. The government was elected. They are in control and will continue to be.
One could reason that with Britain's new found "freedom" and "return to democracy" Brexiteers would have been welcoming with open arms a chance to test out their beloved "democracy" with an election to determine who leads us into this shining new era. Or do they maybe realise they ballsed this up with stubbornness and reluctance to examine facts and possible outcomes and are now applying that same stubbornness to cover up the fact they have plunged this country into a lake of yellow dog shit.
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If MPs overturn the result you can expect a massive vote for UKIP in the next GE.
Would that be enough to get them any sort of power? I am not so sure, plus would people be that bothered to vote?
We all know GE turnouts are poor
You lot have been saying that for years. What have you got instead, a spineless leader who bailed after rinsing you and every tax payer in Europe of hundreds of thousands while doing absolutely nothing to argue for the UK in the European Parliament except gobbing off at people who have done far more for the UK than he ever will , before running off like a child. That was your leader. Says it all.
GT49er
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Don't know - but the amount of public fury over politicians overturning a democratic decision made by the people might just surprise a few of them.
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SK1NT
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Yes ... it is 0.5% i have already explained this to another brexiter on here and he agreed.
EU immigration IS 0.5% of the population.... which is less than than the total percentage of immigration from outside of the EU which is more than EU migration. If i could draw a pie chat showing total immigration into the UK over half would be coloured for outside of EU immigration.
ffs u guys are thick
Seagull58
In the Algarve
The Tories were elected a few months ago on a manifesto that included a commitment to hold a referendum. They have held the referendum and now they are going to deliver on the result of the referendum. It all seems very democratic to me, particularly when compared with Labour's manifesto commitment to hold a referendum that they dropped once they were elected.