TWOCHOICEStom
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Perfectly summed up.
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Homeopathy could be blacklisted
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Perfectly summed up.
They could be but unfortunately there is currently £16 million pounds of budget being allocated to complete bolllocks. On balance I'd probably spend it on some more nurses though.
Blue Valkyrie,
I appreciate that you don't wish to divulge the condition you had, however, can you clarify that the homoeopathic treatment itself worked and by this I mean independently of any other treatment (including the body's own ability to heal)?
You state you had taken conventional medicine, it could be argued that this worked or at least had a progressive effect albeit either in a timescale or way you didn't not fully realise.
Earlier you mention the 'flat earth' argument and the Higgs Boson. I'm not sure your case does well to include these, the former (in the context of a criticism whereby truths are ignored) is largely a myth as from the 4th century BC the Greeks had worked out the earth was spherical. The latter, concerning the Higgs Boson, actually counters your point. The concept of it was built upon through discovery after discovery involving peer-reviewed research. Scientists sharing and critiquing theories, peer reviewed research is something homeopathy doesn't fare well in (http://www.badscience.net/2007/11/the-lancet-benefits-and-risks-of-homoeopathy/).
I'm glad that you recovered from what you had, that I suppose is the most important point. However, it's worth considering whether that was genuinely through a homoeopathic cure. The example I'll always give the is 'falling toddler', every so often there'll be a news report about a toddler surviving a fall from a considerable height. Now based on the "it worked for me" way of thinking, would you advocate all toddlers are safe to fall from this height? Experts might rally round and say "dropping a toddler from 25 metres" is dangerous, but cue the parent on the sofa with a toddler in the morning's news arguing that it was ok and that little Jimmy is fine.
Odd example I know but hopefully it'll underline the point I'm trying to make about the importance of making sure something's really safe before you advocate it.
Anyway cheers for your points and hope you are well.
I appreciate that you don't wish to divulge the condition you had, however, can you clarify that the homoeopathic treatment itself worked and by this I mean independently of any other treatment (including the body's own ability to heal)?
You state you had taken conventional medicine, it could be argued that this worked or at least had a progressive effect albeit either in a timescale or way you didn't not fully realise.
Earlier you mention the 'flat earth' argument and the Higgs Boson. I'm not sure your case does well to include these, the former (in the context of a criticism whereby truths are ignored) is largely a myth as from the 4th century BC the Greeks had worked out the earth was spherical. The latter, concerning the Higgs Boson, actually counters your point. The concept of it was built upon through discovery after discovery involving peer-reviewed research. Scientists sharing and critiquing theories, peer reviewed research is something homeopathy doesn't fare well in (http://www.badscience.net/2007/11/the-lancet-benefits-and-risks-of-homoeopathy/).
I'm glad that you recovered from what you had, that I suppose is the most important point. However, it's worth considering whether that was genuinely through a homoeopathic cure. The example I'll always give the is 'falling toddler', every so often there'll be a news report about a toddler surviving a fall from a considerable height. Now based on the "it worked for me" way of thinking, would you advocate all toddlers are safe to fall from this height? Experts might rally round and say "dropping a toddler from 25 metres" is dangerous, but cue the parent on the sofa with a toddler in the morning's news arguing that it was ok and that little Jimmy is fine.
Odd example I know but hopefully it'll underline the point I'm trying to make about the importance of making sure something's really safe before you advocate it.
Anyway cheers for your points and hope you are well.
GT49er
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£4M is a drop in the ocean!
The homeopathy doctor on the Today programme this morning was hysterical.
John Humphries: "how does it work?"
Bloke: "I'm not sure, it just does"
£4 million is about the current turnover of my small company that employs over 30 skilled people in IT. Imagine how many nurses you could get for it.
I often do. More in a 'Carry On' way than the Royal Sussex.........
Well if it wasnt serious then I thought you might like to share it and discuss it, but I understand as its your shout and I suspect even you know that there is no logical reason why your homoeopathy treatment might have impacted on your ailment, yet you still choose to believe it
Have you ever thought that unless your condition was terminal or chronic our bodies are brilliant at healing itself anyway, nearly everything that is administered prior to the 'upward curve of getting better' can then be hailed the reason why you have got better even without any scientific reason, its how most alternative medicine practices survive !!
brightn'ove
cringe
Likewise, don't believe in any sort of mumbo-jumbo, but when it comes to football... I haven't got my hair cut all season because I'm afraid that it will end in the unravelling of our season & relegation. I just don't want it to be MY fault.
Did he have the wrong atitude or was he clever? For certain there was no pulling the wool over his eyes.
Blue Valkyrie
Not seen such Bravery!
The condition I had was ongoing for a small number of years. Many conventional treatments taken. Within 2 days of taking a homeopathic remedy it was cured.
Now this cannot have been a placebo, as I had probably more belief that the conventional treatments would work. Surely as a minimum they would at least have the same placebo effect?
So we are left with coincidence, or that there is an explanation.
I am not saying it is not coincidence, merely that I do not rule out an explanation ( other than placebo effect ).
I do believe that the widely held dilusion of water objection to homeopathy totally disregards quantum physics and further yet undiscovered physics beyond even that.
Thanks for your concern, by the way. The ailment was not serious.
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Well if it wasnt serious then I thought you might like to share it and discuss it, but I understand as its your shout and I suspect even you know that there is no logical reason why your homoeopathy treatment might have impacted on your ailment, yet you still choose to believe it
Have you ever thought that unless your condition was terminal or chronic our bodies are brilliant at healing itself anyway, nearly everything that is administered prior to the 'upward curve of getting better' can then be hailed the reason why you have got better even without any scientific reason, its how most alternative medicine practices survive !!
Absolutely. regression to the mean.
Good to hear that you're ok, as I said that's the important thing. The context of quantum physics was mainly to contrast with the way you build up scientific knowledge through theory and test with experiments. Hawking betted against it ever being found, but it was. I find this at odds with homeopathy which relies on the 'don't know' far more than the 'know'.
As has been discussed, there's no real way of knowing what cured your condition.
beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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clearly.
the problem is that those quantum physics or undiscovered physics would apply to all the other diluted chemicals contained. what homeopathy is saying is if i dilute something deliberately it will have a medicinal effect, but ignore all the other substances diluted they dont count and have no effects. if homeopathy was real the treatment would give you many, many other ailments.
By the very definitions of quantum physics, every single water molecule in the entire universe is indistinguishable from every other one. They can't retain any sort of 'memory' that is any different from others.
I haven't got my hair cut all season because I'm afraid that it will end in the unravelling of our season & relegation. I just don't want it to be MY fault.
Yeah, I have absolutely no shame at all doing any type of Mumbo J when it comes to football. Years ago I used to do something called Magic Lucky Darts, which involved predicting the outcome of games with, er, darts. It all stared on the Hereford Afternoon (I couldn't get tickets), when I played OCD darts all game, while getting increasingly drunk, listening to the commentary (which for reasons unknown was the first and last time I ever got a Seagulls commentary on the radio here in Kent). After that I used to predict the whole season's results at the start of the season using Magic Lucky Darts. I used to cheat as well.
Apologies for subverting this thread abut M Jumbo into yet another thread about Brighton and Hove Albion.
Cian
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Nope. Not at all.
Its been shown that an injection of saline has a far better placebo effect than a single blank white pill, similarly three coloured pills are better than that blank white one and so on.
You believed the water (that's all you got - water) was going to work, and that significantly improved its placebo effect.