Yes.. I do see case for leaving the EU. But I've come down as in favour of staying within the EU.
I'm always open to having my mind changed..
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[Politics] Brexit
- Thread starter KingstonSeagull
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Yes.. I do see case for leaving the EU. But I've come down as in favour of staying within the EU.
I'm always open to having my mind changed..
Neville's Breakfast
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I will do my best then
For the moment though I'm way too nervous hoping for a second goal !!!!
Pretty pink fairy
Banned
- Jan 30, 2008
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I've just read an article today which states the UK doesn't have a population register. The inference being that EU citizens who settle in the UK do not register their residence. Is this true? What do EU citizens have to do when they decide to settle?
Buzzer
Languidly Clinical
- Oct 1, 2006
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Effectively the NI number takes care of this. You need an NI number for free NHS care, for benefits and also if you work in the UK.
surrey jim
Not in Surrey
National insurance register? Or is that only for people who need to work/claim benefits
Buzzer
Languidly Clinical
- Oct 1, 2006
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Have you got anything to back up these figures? The 2011 Census had the UK as 87% ethnically white and with 12% born outside the UK and the ONS estimated that for 2014 that had risen to 13%. Here in 2017, it's a fairly reasonable assumption to assume that white ethnicity has dropped further and UK residents born outside the UK has increased too.
Here's my source: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopula...localauthoritiesintheunitedkingdom/2013-10-11
Okay. But are you required to have this i.e. do you legally have to register for this?
Sure. My question was more about a requirement, although this wasn't clear. Do you have to legally register with something e.g. so the government know you reside in the Uk
Lincoln Imp
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- Feb 2, 2009
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You do appreciate that the whole conversation was about Barnsley? http://www.southyorks.police.uk/sit...se population of South Yorkshire Oct 2014.pdf
Buzzer
Languidly Clinical
- Oct 1, 2006
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Not as far as I know however if you're super-rich and resident then you won't need an NI number but you will be paying UK taxes by virtue of UK residency so you'll have a tax reference with HMRC...so you will be on another list.
The article you read is right that there's no definitive single register but I'm not sure we need one if HMRC have you on one of its databases or if it's even practical to do without a national identity card scheme.
Buzzer
Languidly Clinical
- Oct 1, 2006
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Ah, I didn't. My mistake. Apologies.
Lincoln Imp
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- Feb 2, 2009
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Hold on a second. There was a light conversation about Barnsley. I pointed out that all the statistics suggested that the town doesn't have exceptional immigration issues. One of these stats concerned where residents were born. A poster responded in the usual way that I was delusional, stupid and clearly had no knowledge of living in areas subject to significant 'commonwealth' immigration. I took his point to be that the 'where were you born?' question doesn't indicate a great deal in areas where large scale immigration from commonwealth countries occurred more than a generation ago. It's a fair general point but the fact that the 'ethnic white' percentage in Barnsley is unusually high - nearly 98% - shows it doesn't apply to the town we were talking about.
So what are the 'fake news type' statistics you accuse me of?
PS There is nothing wrong in raising the issue of Commonwealth ethnicity but I don't really know why it was done given that this thread is about the EU
GoldWithFalmer
Seaweed! Seaweed!
According to the Link provided it could be concluded that whilst average in number,the Polish (EU) immigrants are the most numerous of all immigrants within Barnsley and as a result,it's had some impact on their decision making...
Neville's Breakfast
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Will every away match in the north from hereonin be accompanied by superior sounding comments about how they voted in the referendum ? It just sounds so bitter.
Lincoln Imp
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- Feb 2, 2009
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I don't want to be critical but that's really very thin. The clever thing you've done though is to embolden and quote my words 'average number of immigrants from other EU countries' but not the words immediately before them. For the benefit of listeners those words were 'but a fraction of'.
The nice people of Barnsley overwhelmingly put their ticks in the second box on the referendum form and I understand why. As our born and bred host explained to us yesterday though, the reasons weren't much to do with the EU and were nothing to do with immigration. It may have been different in places such as Boston of course.
Lincoln Imp
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- Feb 2, 2009
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I don't feel remotely superior to anyone, and certainly not the people of Barnsley. The only reason it is still being mentioned at all is that some people have tried to argue that black is white, or vice versa.
GoldWithFalmer
Seaweed! Seaweed!
Feel free to be critical,it was thin and clever.....what was their reasons?
beorhthelm
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- Jul 21, 2003
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there isnt any register for anyone in the UK, and therefore there is nothing specific for non-UK citizens. Electoral roll is the nearest thing and you are supposed to register those entitled to vote, but i don't believe its compulsory. for the issue of determining EU citizens in the UK before some cut off date, they could simply ask for evidence of residence, bills, receipts could be used, to cover those that dont have an NI or made contributions in a period.
Neville's Breakfast
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It's just the way it comes across. I think that time would be better spent making a positive case for the EU rather than
sniping at people who voted Leave. Not aimed at you personally as I am aware you are fully happy to
engage in such positive debate. I just wish the whole debate would move on.