GrizzlingGammon
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The issue of the Irish border isn't about what currency is used. If it was that simple it would have been sorted long ago.
We could be waiting sometime for the EU to offer a better deal.
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[Politics] Brexit
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The issue of the Irish border isn't about what currency is used. If it was that simple it would have been sorted long ago.
We could be waiting sometime for the EU to offer a better deal.
Pavilionaire
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- Jul 7, 2003
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The bus slogan was simple: Leave the EU and the NHS gets £350 million a week. A fantastic lie, aimed at the gullible, with devastating consequences.
clapham_gull
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- Aug 20, 2003
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The irony is the hard brexiteer "establishment" also hate the NHS and would love to see it privatised. Hate the minimum wage, hate Health and Safety legislation, hate taxation and view food banks as "charming".
Somehow managed to hijack the problems with the EU as the cause and con a number of people. The only people being held back was them and after they have completed their plot, they will offer whatever crumbs are left at the table for everyone else. It's simply their attempt to return to the failed "trickle down" economics of the 80s.
Unfortunately the leader of the opposition hates the EU for different reasons and went hiding, believing that he can stand up to to toffs and nationalise everything with the EU out the way.
The politicians of the UK have managed to roll back the UK decades - it's frightening, on top of that Tony Blair steps in trying to convince us it was better in the 90s.
Parliament isn't fit for purpose. but there are enough sensible MPs in there to stop it happening.
I pray the two major parties effectively split and we end up with an alternative that in itself encourages the big two to sort themselves out.
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Baldseagull
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On a point of pedantry, no remain politician claimed WW3 would break out. David Cameron said peace could be at risk, Boris Johnson and others strawmanned this to him saying WW3 would break out, so they could reject it as hyperbole.
I was just paraphrasing / exaggerating. Peace isn't really at risk is it.
Baldseagull
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So you think if they had put "let's fund Trident instead" it would have been just as persuasive?
Baldseagull
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May looked like she might headbutt Junker the other day.
I do not think it is immediately at risk, but it creates more opportunity for disagreement and argument with other nations, straight away.
clapham_gull
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- Aug 20, 2003
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Tubby-McFat-Fuc;8701813 But it says to me said:
This is what I don't understand about the whole leave argument, it was mainly driven by people who want a small state.
When did you ever hear someone from the "right wing" before Brexit say "we aren't spending enough on public services, let's leave the EU and we can".
Forget the NHS, it's simply a cynical lie. They see the EU as an extension of the state which they hate anyway.
There well well be more money to spend on the NHS or other public services but arguing over the figure or where it is spent is irrelevant,
If you honestly thought that the likes of Rees Mogg, Boris and Farage were going to pass that money over to you, you are in cloud cuckoo land.
They have an agenda which doesn't include you. If you can't find a job in their low tax, low regulation, small state utopia they will import someone who will.
I have bets on Michael Ashley being their first peerage to the House of Lords.
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W.C.
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Oh, I thought that leave campaign actually said the NHS would get 350 million pounds per week.
If there is a people’s vote which I have to say seems possible now, Sky are suggesting the three options would be remain, leave with no deal or accept May’s deal what would happen if the no deal wins then?
The country would implode right?
The country would implode right?
Thunder Bolt
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It was never true because rebates brought that total down considerably. It wasn't even sent and then claimed back.
Cornwall voted to leave in high numbers until they realised that the EU grants to deprived areas, included them. They demanded the government replaced their subsidies, to which, the government said no, lots of cut backs instead.
Guess what? Cornwall is now firmly Remain.
Theresa May is already hinting that she will cancel Brexit if more challenges come in. I suspect she will.
Thunder Bolt
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A recent poll shows two fifths of Leave voters still believe it.
Thunder Bolt
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ManOfSussex
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70% of housing association/local authority housing tenants voted leave. Indeed, on the night of the vote Iain Duncan Smith observed that 'turnout in the council estates is very high' as the leave campaign had heavily targeted 'people from the council estates' as their votes were needed.
As he and Dominic Cummings et al knew, weaponizing the crown jewels of the welfare state by bringing the NHS into Brexit after 6 years of austerity was a key factor to those benefit claimants voting as they did.
- Jul 10, 2003
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Here's my reply to Tubby-McFat-Fuc when he asked the same question
I think he is still working on his answer as to how no deal would work
Here's my reply to Tubby-McFat-Fuc when he asked the same question
I think he is still working on his answer
A very interesting answer (genuinely).
Can I ask what your expertise and experience is to back this scenario up?