Milliband about to get torn a new one by Paxman on C4 now

LamieRobertson · Mar 27, 2015

Ah a thread on 'politics'..think i'll give this a miss

DavidinSouthampton · Mar 27, 2015

Bold Seagull said:
Ha ha great thread. Just listened to 5live where John Pienaar had Ed shading the event, and yet the hyperbole on here you'd think he left sobbing like Paul Robinson after Lassiters went bankrupt!

Commentators on both radio 4 and our local radio station - Solent - also had Ed shading it and Cameron seeming "uncomfortable".

drew · Mar 27, 2015

bashlsdir said:
As an outsider who will not be voting for them, I thought Milliband was rocked, that's my opinion.
Yes Milliband might be sincere, but he is a career politician plain and simple. It really tells you something about the character of a man who has an argument with his own brother over positions of power and money. It's more about trying to prove to himself that he can be PM than actually helping the country.

And how does that differ from Cameron? Yes, he worked at Carlton for 7 years as director of corporate affairs. Only got the job because his mother in law, Lady Astor, recommended him to Carlton's boss and what exactly did he do there? I wonder how much benefit it was to Carlton having someone who had been a special adviser to Norman Lamont on board at a time they were seeking the terrestial digital franchise! Apparently heavily involved in promoting OnDigital which turned out to be a great success!!!!

Westdene Seagull · Mar 27, 2015

Ernest said:
Someone who is at the debates as a political editor is someone whose opinion is a little more worthy than the blue eyed poodles on here

And yet an ICM poll ( i.e. a few more people than a single editor ) has CMD winning with 54%

somerset · Mar 27, 2015

Herr Tubthumper said:
Feel free to look at the past 5 years and make your mind up then. I'm not stopping you.

Thanks,....... done,..... all heading in the right direction for me here in the UK...... how are things in the Fatherland?

glasfryn · Mar 27, 2015

hans kraay fan club said:
I think you might have misread my post.

think I might have

sorry

somerset · Mar 27, 2015

Brovion said:
Blimey, you remind me of my Dad! Wouldn't watch the BBC as it was all run by Communists.

After he'd finished on Newsnight and he could stop being impartial Paxman revealed himself as a Conservative voter. Indeed the Tories have approached him as a potential MP.

EDIT: As Gwylan has also pointed out.

Which is why any perceived bias one way or another is only to be ignored, his whole history is based on the left, then suddenly veering to the right at a point in time.......

somerset · Mar 27, 2015

glasfryn said:
send him a white stick as well
this is the person who though Mr Barnes would never make it in the premiership

He hasn't made it, he is a makeweight in a team likely to be relegated after 1 season.

glasfryn · Mar 27, 2015

somerset said:
He hasn't made it, he is a makeweight in a team likely to be relegated after 1 season.

some people in this world just could not pick their nose
8 goals ..................really

somerset · Mar 27, 2015

janee said:
Political threads on here are awful not least because of the partisan stance of the owner of the site.

Why isn't Darren allowed to be partisan?...... this is a free open board, we are all allowed to be partisan, his views don't affect what I post, and I am sure they dont affect the majority on here either.

Monsieur Le Plonk · Mar 27, 2015

Herr Tubthumper said:
Deputy political editor of The Telegraph, James Kirkup, reckons Miliband won

"Ed Miliband has more to be pleased with than David Cameron. That's because what really counts is expectations, how you perform relative to how what people expect of you.
We're used to Mr Cameron being calm and assured, so his nervous and even faltering performance under Jeremy Paxman's superb scrutiny was a surprise, a negative for him that the return of his usual polish and confidence when dealing with the audience couldn't quite offset.
Mr Miliband, by contrast, entered the room with a reputation for being a hopeless ditherer, but failed to live up to it, by being warmer and more assertive than many watching would have expected. His frankness about Labour's past failings and his relationship with his brother will not hurt him either. He even stood up to Paxman's withering gaze with at least as much confidence as Mr Cameron."

This sums it up for me.

Diego Napier · Mar 27, 2015

Vegas Seagull said:
janee said:

Interesting reading this thread the day after. You'd have thought that Ed was mullered by the live responses on here and the thread title. However as the thread moves on to the post interview commentary it appears that Ed did better than NSC wanted him to.

Political threads on here are awful not least because of the partisan stance of the owner of the site.

I'm speaking as a person who does not support Ed or Labour[/

When we leave the Amex after a 0-1 defeat we don't need a commentator to tell us what we saw
Miliband lost 0-1

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Your belief that you've posed a logical and appropriate simile says as much about your inability to separate fact from opinion as it does about your intellect.

Herr Tubthumper · Mar 27, 2015

somerset said:
Thanks,....... done,..... all heading in the right direction for me here in the UK...... how are things in the Fatherland?

I'm pleased it's working for you. But you also point out the difference between us. I have never voted for my own interests and hope I never do; I vote for what I feel is the best deal for the UK as a whole.

Herr Tubthumper · Mar 27, 2015

somerset said:
how are things in the Fatherland?

Fine. Thank you for asking.

Herr Tubthumper · Mar 27, 2015

glasfryn said:
I am a socialist and never been what you might call an intellectual snob, all I want is to wipe that smirk off the tories faces and be able to close all the food banks down, up the amount of decent jobs for the young and stop the disintegration of the NHS.
furthermore I will use my vote tactically to keep the tories on the back foot, not much I agree, but at least I vote.

Some of this holds for me as well

Brovion · Mar 27, 2015

somerset said:
Which is why any perceived bias one way or another is only to be ignored, his whole history is based on the left, then suddenly veering to the right at a point in time.......

Eh? You said he was a socialist, I was merely pointing out that he isn't.

Diego Napier · Mar 27, 2015

Bozza said:
As explained before, although I have voted Conservative in the past, I have not for quite some time - many elections in fact.

My main beef is the intellectual snobbery displayed by many (but not all) of those on the left towards those on the right. I'm happy to keep poking fun at them. The reactions of several well-known posters is an absolute delight to behold.

Fair enough then although, as I'm sure many a reformed criminal will confirm, we need to be ever vigilant against casual recidivism!

martin tyler · Mar 27, 2015

Personally having watched this morning I feel neither covered themselves in glory here.
I would have expected a more polished performance from Cameron and it certainly was not that.
Ed on the other hand seemed to start ok, lose it compleatly before having a little late rally.
I think it's down to perspective really. If I had watched it no knowing either man I would say Cameron had the better of it.
However having seen both before I think Cameron may be a little disappointed overall and Ed happy as it could have been a lot
worse.
Both are very weK leaders IMHO and neither fill me with great confidence. I look forward to the next instalment

Westdene Seagull · Mar 27, 2015

glasfryn said:
s and be able to close all the food banks down, up the amount of decent jobs for the young and stop the disintegration of the NHS.

I'd argue that there isn't a political party ( left, right or centre ) that doesn't want these things. What they disagree on is how to achieve them.

glasfryn said:
I will use my vote tactically

A tactical vote is the vote of a fool.

lawros left foot · Mar 27, 2015

Return of the Rev said:
I've voted left,right red,blue and green and we still ain't won the world cup

Ah, but we did, and under a Labour Government

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